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Thanks Eveyone. See you at the pole.

I'm off too. Looking forward to seeing you all in January.

Blogger

See you all guys.I'm out too. Thanks.

Rookie

PRBS31 makes tests impossible by cranking up uncertainties. PRBS71 does the same thing, but has the potential to provide greater stress.

Thanks Barry. See you soon.

Rohde is more into phase noise, no? They did an interesting demo last year.

Manager

Mike's awesome, he already knows the problems and is more likley to agree than defend PRBS31, prolly take the "it's here and we have to deal with it" -- which is what I would do if I got a paycheck from The Man.

Signing out.  See you at DesignCon!

PRBS72? Viable? How so?

OK, then you're welcome to attend my panel.

Manager

Does Rohde even have a scope fast enough for the kind of jitter measurements at DesignCon?

My entire goal in life is to "not be that guy." So I'm always pleased when someone else in the room is annoying everyone.

Mike's my buddy. But even fiends make mistakes.

Rookie

You just answered the question ;-)

Manager

I'll suggest PRBS72 as a viable alternative -- it actually is a viable alternative, too.

"ugh! PRBS31 ..."

Make your case to Schnecker about it. You remember him, right?

Ransom, is that annoying guy ever you? Should I post guards at the door?

Manager

I'm psyched to heckle Schnecker and all things related to the idiocy of PRBS31!

The CFP website doesn't say what CFP stands for, nor do any of the top 20 Google results. We must kill the TLA culture!

Good advices, thanks.

Manager

last year, I found that 75 minutes can be a little long so we closed after 60. It depends. As Ransom said, go with the flow.

Also be prepared to shut down the annoying guy in the crowd who fixates on an edge case--but be careful, that edge case might be important.

Yes, you need to get it rolling with a long list of potential questions, then have a patience when you switch to floor questions because they start slow but tend to pick up steam.

I'm hoping to get a couple of slides from each panelist so the audience knows their positions and background.

The trick to moderating a good panel is flexibility. The direction it goes may not be what you forsaw and it's helpful to go with the flow.

Michael, have a few starter and backup questions. Keep thinking of wuestions as the panelists speak, just in case. A quiet room will churn your stomach.

Opening statement by each panelist, preferably short, followed by lots of discussion and Q&A with the audience.

I'm also planning to see "Real-Time Jitter measurement" by Mike Schnecker. The session description mentions PRBS31, one of Ransom's favorite subjects.

As someone who's only been to one panel – any suggestions for format, content, procedures.... to make it go well?

Manager

Competitiion makes us stronger.

RATS! That completes with my panel. Fortunately, the subjects are different enough.

I haven't seen anything that surprised me yet (I'm at that age, you know).  I continued to be impressed with the quality of the papers, which doesn't surprise me.

Breaking news: new panel added: New Multilayer Board (MLB) Laminates Close to PTFE Materials panel will publish to the website shortly. THursday 3:45-5:00PM Ballroom G (Track5)

Blogger

I'm planning to go to two tutorials.

1. Fixture removal of 28Gbps Tx Measurements

2. Tips on improving the time when measuring high-speed digital signals.

Anyone else?

Some day, and that day may never come, he will ask you a favour...

Manager

Barry, what surprised you about this year's technical program in terms of papers?

Ransom wrote a blog about the pole for the now defunct DesignCon Community. I can send you a PDF of it. email me at martin.rowe@ubm.com

The festivus pole is sort of a substitute "tree" analogous to a "Christmas Tree" in the clebration of "Festivus for the rest of us"

How much you pay him?

Manager

I love this guy, Martin Rowe. He carried my novel all over tarnation and took pictures.

Yes Martin, but that doesn't really say what it is.

Blogger

If there isn't specific agenda to cover I need to get going.  Best to all.

 

Rookie

I fear that I've never been to the tech museum, but am wholly excited to go! Wholly!!

In the blog, I wrote:

Remember, of course, to pay homage to the Techno Festivus Pole in the lobby of the Santa Clara Convention Center. Even better, if you have a copy of The Sensory Deception by DesignConer Ransom Stephens, bring it for an autograph.

The techno-festivus pole is the site for the airing of grievances and the showing of strength.

Janine Festivus is an old Jerry Seinfeld reference

Rookie

To learn about the pole, see my blog announcing this chat.

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1320209

It's like the North Pole.

Manager

Better? Different. It was good. I went twice.

Manager

Someone want to explain what the Techno-Festivus Pole is for the new folks?

Blogger

"The Computer History Museum is an amazing place"

It was better when it was in Boston. Grrrrrr.

Of course. We all want real beer. Hopefully the Hyatt will soon serve some of the many local beers...

"impromptu meeting place"

There's alwasy the Techno-Festivus Pole in the convention center lobby.

Ransom, you want me to bring you a two-four of real beer??

Manager

The Computer History Museum is an amazing place. Always surprises me how few techies want to go see it though... What's with that? Techology is very boring without knowing where it all came from.

Manager

Has anyone here read The Sensory Deception?

Which track is covering Canadian Flight Information and what's the 2 and 4 stand for?

Some may remember Dr. Eul from EuroDeisgnCon in Munich.  He was a keynote there in 2005(?) when he was with Infineon.

I'll see if Chiphead is availalbe!

Blogger

That's good to hear Chris. I'm looking forward to hearing Dr. Eul speak.

Blogger

Speaking of Chiphead. We may want to include him (or her) in the "Battle on the Chip" panel at the end. For a photo opp with the panelists.

Rookie

Chris, if you have a car, I know an inexpensive place about a mile west of the convention center. Comfort Inn or one of those. Free wifi and breakfast too.

I heard Dr. Eul speak at IDF. He's a great speaker and good technologist. Nice fit for DesignCon Chiphead Crowd.

Rookie

"Is the Hyatt still offering up room blocks for us DesignCon out of towners?"

Good luck Chris. I had a hard time. Might be sold out.

Chris if the Hyatt is full then the Avatar down the street is the most reasonably priced.  After that there is the Hilton across the street from the cc and the Marriott.  The Marriott starts at about $300 / night.  The Hyatt rooms were $200.

Rookie

"in the context of photonic devices and optical interconnects"

I got interested in the last year doing for former gig. Lots of postential.

I'm looking forward to the reception at the Computer History Museum.

Blogger

Is the Hyatt still offering up room blocks for us DesignCon out of towners?

Rookie

We've announced two of the three keynote speakers as well: Prof. Dr. Hermann Eul at Intel and Thomas Pawiwoski at Micron.

Blogger

Computer History Museum. Yeah that used to be in Boston. they blew us off for San Jose.

@Chris: They took so long to get here that a lot of companies have/are develping thier own integrated optics.

Rookie

@Heidi B - Thank you! Yes and great to hear from you again. Haven't seen you since EMC in Denver.

Rookie

I'm just getting my first look at the final papers (program director's prerogative; I see them first).  We have a couple photonics papers in Track 3 that deliver what I expected.  They address signal integrity and related issues familiar to DesignCon regulars, but in the context of photonic devices and optical interconnects.  Somehting to watch for, if you're interested in these things.

I think in CY15 - we'll be talking about characterization of CFP4 technology.

Rookie

In addition to moderating two panels, I also get ti give out the Best in Test awards and the test Engineer of the Year award. Three of the four nominations for test engineer are SI people this year.

You can vote here.

http://edn.com/design/test-and-measurement/4425367/Vote-for-the-top-engineer-and-products

Any discussions on the different methods of dealing with bandlimited S-Parameters for realtime scopes, vs sampling scopes, vs transient simulations would be a fun discussion for the closed eye session for embedding and de-embedding techniques since 28Gbps and beyond are pushing the limits.

Heidi B.

Rookie

Michael there is the author prep room upstairs

Rookie

Also, this year's welcome reception on Tuesday night will be at the Computer History Museum, which promises to be really cool.

Blogger

@ProStar - Yes, CFP4 is "nirvana" for the comms industry from a design/integration capabilities angle. Now, I think it needs CFP2 to be successful to warrant actual manufacturing interest to kick in (and chip volume). Just my 2 cents. Cause without some financial success/adoption of CFP2; CFP4 will always sit on the building block in the lab.

Rookie

Kirt, There is a great overview of the events at the conference here: http://www.designcon.com/santaclara/conference/event-schedule.php.

 

Blogger

Will there be that "lounge" area again (where they did breakfasts last time)? I'm trying to think of a good impromptu meeting place.

Manager

DesignCon is always a good foum for contentious ideas.

Rookie

"some synergy between T&M and Modeling"

Then please attend my session on Thursday at 3:45.

I'm hoping to stir things up about a different way to contruct eye diagrams. Something Vladimir and I stumbled on independently and found some synergy between T&M and Modeling.

 

Rookie

Steven, I will have kickoff and backup questions. Gotta have them.

Steven, I will have kickoff and backup questions.

Is there informaton going to be shared here of general use to the attendees? I was invited to attend but may have not understood the purpose. Is someone in charge here?

 

Rookie

ChipHeadThtr has a projector, no?

Manager

"I'm actually pretty excited about a paper I've done with Mentor Graphics"

Do tell us about it, but not too much don't wntn to give it all away before the event.

Martin yes you recruited me.  Things that we could address are preparation any restrictions or expectations on the format, backup questions to kick start the audience, etc

 

Rookie

Kenneth, good idea. I'll contact everyone when we're done here.

I'm actually pretty excited about a paper I've done with Mentor Graphics.

Janine, I'm sur there are images you can take from the papers for your purposes. 

Rookie

One of the things that I think is difficult to deal with in the ChipHead theatre sessions has been Q&A without graphics to help illustrate points.

Rookie

We probably ought to schedule a panelist conference call for the EMC/SI event. If no slides, then we ought to have a list of discussion topics in advance, if nothing else, to prompt audience participation.

Blogger

"Do we have an agenda for today?"

Not exactly, but what are you most loooking forward to thsi time. I know, the panel I recuited you for, right?

Glad to hear the panel chairs planning conference calls.  It's something we try to encourage.

Janine yes, I mea slides that are probalby generic to the topics that can be used for illustration of likely topic issues

 

Rookie

Optical is just beginning to roll through DesignCon - look for even more as CFP2 takes hold and volume begins to flow from there. In 2015, there will be SiPhotonics test topics and maybe even a track on it in my opinion.

Rookie

Not always true Ransom.

Rookie

Yeah slides. Gotta work on that too. Having a call with the measurement/modeling panelists tomorrow. for the EMI/SI panel, it's only 40 minutes. I'm sure we can all talk that long.

Our slides don't usually appear until people get off the plane/out of the car a coupla hours before the panel.

Do we have an agenda for today?

Rookie

The Closing Eye panel is looking for more audience participation this year. Questions, Comments, Challenges are strongly encouraged. In fact, if you are listening in and want to post something for us to address - just tweet it to me @ChrisAtTek

Rookie

Panelist con-call. Hmm, that might be a good idea!

Manager

She was but the worms took over

Rookie

We'll have slides on the get embed panel, aka jitter panel.

Steven.Weir: do you mean availalbe slides in advance of the panel?

Blogger

So, Ransom finally got his wish of adding optics to DesignCon. What do you think of the papers on the schedule.

Yeah, sildes. Should get onto that.

Manager

Your momma's a panelist.

Well, I'm really excited about my PCB Design panel. Tool vendors, users, curmudgeons, the ubiquitous Eric B, etc. Wednesday @3:45.

Manager

I think tht it would be useful to have some illustrative slides available for the panel discussions

 

Rookie

Though the answer is: "when make a measurement and do a simulation"

"Scott and Yuri in a battle royale!"

Should be fun.

That looks good, Scott and Yuri in a battle royale!

EMI and SI are related, get used to it. Jan. 30, 2:00 Chiphead theater


Panelists:

Bruce Archambeault
Kenneth Wyatt
Lee Ritchey
Istvan Novak
Steve Weir
Jun Fan

At conference room L

 

Rookie

My second panel is:

Closing the loop: What to do when measurements and simulations don't match? Jan 30, 3:45.


Panelists:

Scott McMorrow
Yuriy Shlepnev
Alfred Neves
Steve Pytel
Jason Miller
Doug Burns

We need a "like" button.

Rookie

When do we devolve to "your momma" jokes?

at 2:00 is SI and EMI are related, get used to it. It's in the Chiphead Theatre.

TIE refers to the idealized interval:  a useful fantasy

 

Rookie

I think it will iteresting to overview the several "philosophies" of "measurement", "modeling" and in-between.

Rookie

I strive for a spiky TIE.

Manager

Remember, last year's panel centered around the "discovery" that Eric made by measuring bit error ratio as a function of time-delay on chip and, in so doing, answered some questions that the scope guys had been dealing with.

(yes some of us are talking about design con -- kind of embarassing for me to be one of the guys on task)

 

I'm moderating two panels this year. Both on Thursday.

Yes, this is the DesignCon live chat.  You might have to sift through some of the chatter to catch a discussion on the opening day Closing Eye panel.

That was "Time Interval Error"

Which interval and whose error?

The T&M companies can license their IC tech to create all those onchip scopes.

Manager

I'm moderating at least one panel, on Universal Flash storage on Wednesday at 3:45. I moderated a similar panel last year, and many of the same players are returning to update us. Under discussion is UFS role in mobile computing. Looking forward to that.

Blogger

Greetings Kirt, you're in the right place.

Hi Kirt, yes this is the chat.

Blogger

That was "Time Interval Error"

 

Rookie

I'm not really a tie person.

Manager

Is this the live chat about DesignCon?

Rookie

So, leaning agains the Tek booth at the plugfest I contradicted Martin and said something like, "T&M is dust." Chris didn't laugh as hard as he whsould have.

Vitesse put a scope on a chip several years ago. But, the scope companies are still in business.

25 Gb/s is ramping up, and all the SI issues that caused grief are not going to get any easier!  Lots of opportunities for the gurus to flex for the Design Con crowd

 

Rookie

Michael, do you have a bent tie?

 

Rookie

Chris & Ransom, I doubt your stories are suitable for mixed company...

Manager

So which sessions are you looking forward to?

At "today's higher data rates" actual equipment is at a disadvantage because the cables, connections all impede the signal... hence, what Chris just said.

Manager means you get to work more.

But...I don't have pointy hair...

Manager

BIST will never kill T&M. I won't let that happen.

Contentious and provoking will be an objective of the Closing Eye Panel this year... Embedding and De-Embedding - Can modeling tools do it all? Where does PHY come into play? How effective are these approaches and what are the downfalls?

Rookie

I kind of resent the rookie label.  Doesn't a weekly blog count for anything?

Come on Michael, manager doesn't trump anything.

Rookie

So Chris and I were hanging out at a PCIe plugfest making wisecracks about T&M when I asked about the impact of built in system test...

I will record the audio on the panel and take photos.

 

I think Manager trumps Blogger, no?

Manager

Thanks. I figured as much, just didn't want too many moments where the presenter says "And as we all know from yesterday".

Rookie

Gotta love these rankings. they are based on how many comments you've made on EE Times.

But my microphone is standing by.

Manager

The panel? We're doing a panel? Holy sh*&, we better have conference call.

And don't forget to come to the first timer breakfast on Tuesday AM prostar.

 

Blogger

Yes, I've never liked "chat" for these...

Manager

Yeah, the little dog is whining at my feet. She's not coming to Designcon if she doesn't shape up.

Ransom, what say you about this year's Closed Eye panel?

Ransom, I'm glad to see you're a "rookie" too, like me and Chris.

 

Rookie

prostar, welcome. Go to whichever sessions you see fit. I suggest downloading the DesignCon app to keep your shceudle. http://m.designcon.com

Not so much a chat, really, more of a "type" indeed "typo" fpr mes

Prostar, I'd say go wherever your heart takes you :-)

Manager

Ransom here from Petaluma, the town of eggs, butter, and beer.

Where's Ransom? He promised to be here at the expense of being bitten by his dogs for not walking them.

Hashtag would be good. I'd like to see if anyone can help me reach our social media following with a request for panel questions, issues, discussion topics on the big battle!

Rookie

Hi folks. Isthis the live chat, or was there a link of some kind.

 

 

Rookie

I'll be a first timer. Is it reccomended to try to follow a design "track"? Because I've selected sessions from about 5 different ones.

Rookie

I missed it last time - late flight, but will be there this time!

Manager

Closing Eye panel is alwasy a good time. We should have a hashtag for it.

 

You guys were a bit kind and gentle last year Chris, do you think it will be more contentious this year?

 

Blogger

This will be Tuesday afternoon, January 28th in the Santa Clara Convention Center.

Rookie

Have you downloaded the Design Con app? I ahve and it has my schedule in it. Of course I have to change it already having been invited to a press briefing during one of the times I wanted to attend a session.

The "Closing Eye Panel" is going to be HUGE in 2014. Titled "Battle on the Chip" we are going to dive into two schools of thought on chip characterization approaches.

Rookie

Thanks. Looking forward to it. I'm really glad to have the opportunity to work with Barry for DC2014. He's an outstanding leader.

 

Blogger

Hi everyone. So, what are the must-see events?

Manager

Ken Wyatt here from Woodland Park, CO

Blogger

Chiily Oregon? We're just happy it's above freezing here.

 

Kitchener-Waterloo here, city of big empty RIM buildings.

Manager

Well, let's start with the big news.

Hey everyone,

In case you hadn't heard, Janine is the new Barry. That's right, Janine Love will be the technical program chair for DesignCon 2015!

Hello. Chris is here from chilly Oregon.

 

Rookie

Hello, Barry Sullivan here in Chicago, The City of Big Shoulders.

Hi Martin. Looking forward to talking about DesignCon.

 

Blogger

Welcome everyone. It's a few monutes before 1:00 here in Boston, the city of champions.

 

DesignCon brings together engineers who model, design, construct, and test IC's, circuits, and systems that contain the world's highest speed digital links. The event opens on January 28, that's eight weeks from today, December 3. What do you expect to take away from the 2014 edition (besides candy from the expo hall)?



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