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AZskibum
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Re: OEMs
AZskibum   12/27/2013 6:05:46 PM
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Will the OEMs really give up control of the look and feel of a UI to either Android or iOS? I am dubious.

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Re: the android advantage
selinz   12/19/2013 11:22:50 PM
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With Google's acquisition of Motorola, they will have a huge advantage if they leverage what Moto has already done with auto interfaces. Don't know if NIH will hamper Google.

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Re: the android advantage
junko.yoshida   12/19/2013 8:27:49 PM
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I expect the upcoming Google announcement @CES to go beyond what the CCC group has accomplished thus far.

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Re: Not sure who wins in this... if anyone
junko.yoshida   12/19/2013 8:25:19 PM
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@hazydave, you wrote:

Locking the whole platform in would be as silly as locking a $4000 TV into the "smart" functionality of a $50 Roku box.


Indeed. And yet, I find it ironic the infortainment architecture of $30k cars is increasiingly dictated by consumers devices people bring into cars. 

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Re: the android advantage
alistaira   12/19/2013 5:08:28 PM
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The charter members listed here should give you a good idea. 

http://www.mirrorlink.com/about/membership/

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Re: Ms Synch?
alistaira   12/19/2013 4:09:26 PM
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Well Sync was a Ford thing, not a Microsoft thing and Ford dontated they Sync specs it to GENIVI (see genivi.org). Ironically Sync does not work with Windows Phones -well at least not the app part, the basic stuff over BT does work.

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Re: Ms Synch?
hazydave   12/19/2013 3:12:09 PM
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They're not really after apps in embedded processors, are they? Like phones, if anything, I'd expect phone apps to run on separate application processors, They could interact with the car to an extent, but mostly via APIs that block the apos as necessary but never the car computers, even if the app procrssor or bridge go down.

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Android vs iOS
EC_Harshit   12/19/2013 8:36:18 AM
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Other than Android and Apple, there are several diverse systems viz QNX, Windows CE, Linux etc. present in available cars which manifests several years of experiences.

In General, Apple and Google are not car Tier-1's so them venturing into this area would be unimaginable as well as little less financially rewarding.

It would be interesting to hear how successful Google/Apple are with their offerings on CES 2014 towards Automotive infotainment. Apps integration into front unit would be a big draw if someone can bring it seemlesly into front.

MirrorLink/Miracast, Speech Integration, hands-free/eyes-free, Drivers assist, Audio/Video and Camera needs are so diverse that it may need different software trees altogether for Automotive Integration but these features would be key for any integrated solution.

We are psychlogically skewed to think smartphone integration into cars but that is little mixing up with overall car experience. We may additionally need to think of realtime part, safety and lifetime of the product.

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Google.
KB3001   12/19/2013 6:48:13 AM
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My money is on Google.

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Re: Ms Synch?
boblespam   12/19/2013 2:24:53 AM
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Hi !

I'm designing infotainment and digital dashboards for high-end cars. I switched recently (last year) to Linux for that, so switching to Android wouldn't be an issue for me. Smartphone integration is becoming crucial for 2014, but I don't see it as an open platform for anybody to develop apps for our embedded systems, it's just too dangerous.

I see more like something similar to a MirrorLink where the smartphone sends the graphics + sound to the car and the car sends the touch screen coordinates + driver voice to the smartphone. This way we don't have the responsibility of a SW bug/crash from the phone that could disturb the driver while he is drivng, it's all in the hands of the smartphone app developer.

With a mirro link, there's would be also the possibility to send send the phone graphics directly to the digital dashboard (instead of the infotainment display) in lieu and place of the rear-view camera, this is the only way for a smartphone to get to the driver dashboard without impacting too much all the safety issues related to this critical display. The rear-view camera is displayed as an independant graphic layer without impacting the dashboard CPU load. In that particular case, there's no direct user feedback (of course, there's no touchscreen behind the steering wheel).

In 10 years, all today smartphones will be completely obsolete, not the cars. the mirror link feature could still work with future smartphones, only the car display resolution will be somehow bulky.

iOS in our embedded systems is a no-go as of today, it's closed and we have absolutely no experience in iOS real-time SW development. But a mirror link could be compatible with iOS aswell as Android.

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