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rick merritt
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What should 5G be
rick merritt   12/18/2013 10:37:41 PM
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What's possible in terms of data rates in the 2020 time frame? And what are the best ways to get there?

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Re: What should 5G be
Bert22306   12/19/2013 4:35:12 AM
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I see these generations of cellular standards and WiFi as being a lot more evolutionary than their words might imply. The big improvement really only came with MIMO, which depends on highly uncorrelated propagaton paths existing. But that aside, the rest has been predictable, I think. Higher order constellations, wider RF channels, and shorter range RF links (i.e. smaller cells), with marginal improvements on error correction, to bring these systems inching closer to the Shannon limit.

If you compare LTE with WCDMA of 3G, any capacity increase has primarily come from wider RF channels. Although ultimately, a CDMA approach would become limited by the high chip rate needed in spread spectrum modulation, I suppose. But at rates of 160 Mb/s or 320 Mb/s, either modulation would work just fine. Just to make the point that there's no "modulation breakthrough" involved in any of this.

Possibly, 5G would look at the really high frequencies, up in the tens of GHz, where you can afford really wide RF channels, but also have to rely on very short RF links and an extensive backhaul network. If 4G is to get us to wireless 1 Gb/s, low mobility, it seems hard to imagine improving upon that appreciably without going way up in carrier frequency. And, channels significantly wider than even 200 MHz! Which kind of shows why you need to get up in frequency.

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Re: What should 5G be
KB3001   12/19/2013 6:33:35 AM
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The irony is that the quality/reliability of phone calls has not improved (quite the opposite!). I don't know about you but I am often frustrated at low quality voice, dropped calls etc.

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Re: What should 5G be
jzws   12/19/2013 10:47:49 AM
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Nice story Rick, but the headline is a tad misleading. Europe has been officially doing research and development work on 5G for quite a while , at places such as the Centre for Communications Systems Research in Surrey, England, soon to open its own 5G Innovation Centre with backing from compaies such as Samsung, Huawei, and Fujitsu; at the world renowned comms research centre of the University of Dresden in Germany; and through numerous joint research projects backed by the European Commission including leading lights such as Ericsson, NSN backed up by overseas companies including Alcatel-Lucent, NTT DoCoMo, Huawei (and about 30 others). They, and the individual companies, are all rushing to come up with innovations in air interfaces (and not necessarily OFDM-based ones) and techniques for better, greener use of the spectrum that can be assessed and included in a 3GPP-type standardisation effort at the next WRC meeting of the ITU scheduled for November 2015.

After that, look forward to the usual patent , IPR  and licensing wars that has followed every flavour of cellular network development . 

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Re: What should 5G be
rick merritt   12/19/2013 11:34:30 AM
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@jzws: Thanks for the perspective! Ah, that I had time to interview them all!

But wouldn't you say forming 5GPPP is a real milestone that coalesecs efforts into a de facto standards iniitative, sort of starting gun? Or how would you put it?

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Re: What should 5G be
rick merritt   12/19/2013 11:35:42 AM
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@KB3001: I agree the variability if service and a connection is one of the most frustrating things for users. But is this not an inherant part of a wqireless servcie? Is there anything the technology can do for this?

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KB3001   12/19/2013 12:13:10 PM
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Never had a problem with the old fixed lines and the audio quality (using old handsets) was perfect. It's a combination of many factors not just wireless - the mass market means providers often compromise on high quality for lower cost of ownership and higher numbers of subscribers. A bit like low cost airlines.

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5G
jzws   12/19/2013 12:25:30 PM
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Starting gun is an excellent analogy Rick. Trouble is some network operators and equipment suppliers have completely jumped the gun with unrealistic claims for what this next generation could, should do, and  unattainable timescales for rolling out the network before the 5GPP has officially entered the stadium.

Take today's announcement by South Korea that it is pouring  in some £300 million to roll out a commercial '5G' network by 2020. Or Samsung's 'breakthrough'  claim back in May that  it had achieved '5G' mobile. Very impressive research that Samsung then completely overhyped. John Walko.

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SusanMckenly   12/19/2013 1:09:43 PM
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I have also the same questions in mind. What this thing will be in the next decades and what to look forward exactly. Pretty curious. - Marla Ahlgrimm

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Sheetal.Pandey   12/19/2013 1:15:34 PM
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Europe seems to be ahead in implementing things faster and innovating technologies. May be its less political there. In countries like India 3G is stll in infancy stage. Many leading mobile service providers do not have their own 3G license. And there huge amount of political corruption in giving 2G lcenses.

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