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zewde yeraswork
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Re: Intel Gets Big Slice of Micro Server Market
zewde yeraswork   12/23/2013 9:32:26 AM
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There's no question Intel is sdoing everything it can to get into this market as aggressively as possible. I am not sure they will be limited to an eight-core offering though. It seems to me that their product lineup will span as far and wide as they can possibly get it to. They won't be giving up their edge in traditional x86 platforms anytime soon either.

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IEEE Paper ARM / x86 Performance
Bruzzer   12/22/2013 9:30:54 PM
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FYI; Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

Appears in the 19th IEEE International Symposium on High Performance Computer Architecture (HPCA 2013)

Power Struggles: Revisiting the RISC vs. CISC Debate

on Contemporary ARM and x86 Architectures

Emily Blem, Jaikrishnan Menon, and Karthikeyan Sankaralingam

University of Wisconsin - Madison

blem,menon,karug@cs.wisc.edu

http://research.cs.wisc.edu/vertical/papers/2013/hpca13-isa-power-struggles.pdf

Abstract

RISC vs. CISC wars raged in the 1980s when chip area and

processor design complexity were the primary constraints and

desktops and servers exclusively dominated the computing landscape.

Today, energy and power are the primary design constraints

and the computing landscape is significantly different:

growth in tablets and smartphones running ARM (a RISC ISA)

is surpassing that of desktops and laptops running x86 (a CISC

ISA). Further, the traditionally low-power ARM ISA is entering

the high-performance server market, while the traditionally

high-performance x86 ISA is entering the mobile low-power device

market. Thus, the question of whether ISA plays an intrinsic

role in performance or energy efficiency is becoming important,

and we seek to answer this question through a detailed measurement

based study on real hardware running real applications.

We analyze measurements on the ARM Cortex-A8 and

Cortex-A9 and Intel Atom and Sandybridge i7 microprocessors

over workloads spanning mobile, desktop, and server computing.

Our methodical investigation demonstrates the role of ISA

in modern microprocessors' performance and energy efficiency.

We find that ARM and x86 processors are simply engineering

design points optimized for different levels of performance, and

there is nothing fundamentally more energy efficient in one ISA

class or the other. The ISA being RISC or CISC seems irrelevant.

 

 

resistion
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Not both Xeon and Atom
resistion   12/22/2013 12:33:44 PM
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With Xeon and Atom power levels so similar (if read correctly) I doubt it makes sense to keep both lines for servers. I'd assume the Xeon would have vastly better performance.

chanj0
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Cost and Performance
chanj0   12/21/2013 9:42:00 PM
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The competition will come down to cost-performance ratio. Cost will cover daily operational cost. It means power consumption of the server (not just the CPU). Performance will include not only MIPS but also how many VMs and services can be run on a single server.

Is there a comparison study of x86 vs ARM? Ideally, a benchmark study.

Sheetal.Pandey
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Re: Ready for take off?
Sheetal.Pandey   12/21/2013 9:52:03 AM
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Its just the start of a big race..Intel is ahead and have good stamina. May be they can acquire the small players to kill the competition if its worth it..

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Re: Ready for take off?
KB3001   12/21/2013 8:20:24 AM
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The natural conclusion is that Intel will reduce its profit margins considerably to be able to compete. If that trend continues, earnings per share will go down and shareholders will start to question the current strategy. I personally do not think this is sustainable.

Bruzzer
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Intel Gets Big Slice of Micro Server Market
Bruzzer   12/21/2013 1:56:58 AM
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First micro server to market is ST Spear 1310 DC A9 based, designed by Phytec for ZT Systems, late 2010, named R1810e. 

Like many evolutionary ARM development platforms there was no operating system.

ARM Ltd. refuses to lead in the administrative oversight of evolutionary forms of constituent platform, and product segment management. 

Plus on this Christmas Eve everyone knows ARM is a pench pincher when it comes too truly investing in partnership v Intel coalition; bah hum bug.

And does punish employees who attempt to compete directly with Intel, verse certain ARM executives, barking for their Intel sales prospects.

It's a very real and debilitating conundrum.

In relation to Avoton, E3 product line is dead. 

There is not enough interest in Haswell Xeon board manufacture, balancing expenditure of finite resource into the future, which for Intel compliment is Avoton and Rangeley platform development.

Intel has made good supplying Avoton and Rangeley in volume; 4,554,381 Avoton and 11,112,118 Rangeley.  15,666,387 was the E3 12xx v3 fourth quarter volume reallocated to Avoton and Rangeley.

Where core grade splits are likely 60% Octa, 29% Quad, 10% Dual Core. 

Intel has no financial incentive on marginal revenue loss to produce less than the 8 core versions.

Intel is competing aggressively:

Sandy Bridge Generation Product Dumping; 76,744,510 units, industrial financial displacement on economics; $5,219,432,098

Current Ivy Bridge through Haswell Product Dumping 35,271,649 units, industrial financial displacement on economics; $1,432,313,390

Intel Inside sales rewards for exclusive dealing; Sherman Act Section 2 Intent, on the Intel financial; $3,641,000,000.

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

daleste
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Re: Ready for take off?
daleste   12/20/2013 11:57:34 PM
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Even though the market is very well served today, Intel has a lot of muscle.  I expect that they can take a big portion of the market, but they may not be the best fit for the job.  We will watch as the market changes.

zewde yeraswork
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Re: Ready for take off?
zewde yeraswork   12/20/2013 2:39:30 PM
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I think that's the key question....that and how well-positioned will ARM and companies like AMD who use ARM SOCs be three or four years down the road....

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Ready for take off?
rick merritt   12/20/2013 2:14:14 PM
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Intel is well positioned today, but can it hang on when the market takes off circa 2015?

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