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betajet
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Re: Judgement doesn't always work
betajet   1/15/2014 9:47:17 PM
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See the above posts.  This is why IEEE term life insurance is so cheap :-)

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LiketoBike   1/15/2014 9:42:40 PM
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I've been in restaurants where one needed to do that :-)


I confess to having the same reaction to short distance moving:  fasten the belt.  It's really good muscle memory - and that's why I do it.  I could drive two feet without the belt.  But I DON'T want to mess up the HABIT and the muscle memory of putting the belt on EVERY SINGLE TIME I DRIVE.  Easy to ignore can turn into "really easy to ignore, when the consequences happen to be high."


As to the tyranny of the urgent, it's the same thing as not taking the time a task actually requires.  It gets us into trouble.  The same thing happens in project management when the schedule becomes the end rather than the means; the master rather than the servant.  And it irritates the heck out of most engineers :-)

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antedeluvian   1/15/2014 8:47:12 AM
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Duane

I can't sit in a car without a seatbelt. I get incredibly uncomfortable. It's such a pattern that, even to move a foot or two in my driveway, I end up putting the belt on. My brain tells me I can't turn the engine on without a seatbelt.

There are times I sit down in a restaurant and look for the safety belt!

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David Ashton   1/14/2014 8:10:42 PM
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Well said Duane.  I also did a bit of flying once - never got fully licenced - but came to much the same conclusions - it's not something to be done unless you have ALL your wits about you.  While the two cases above are tragic, they both show total irresponsibility - not only did they go against the rules and beyond their abilities, but in both cases other people were involved as well.  In the case of the lady executive, she thought her company could not do without her.  Now it has to.....

It's a rule with my employer that before we do anything hazardous - climbing a radio tower or working in an electricity substation for example - we discuss the job and the hazards, and we have special forms (read: checklists) to fill out before we start work.  The people who take this procedure seriously don't often get into trouble.  Those who ignore it or just treat it as a tick-box exercise are the ones that come short, also fatally in some cases.

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Judgement doesn't always work
Duane Benson   1/14/2014 7:24:42 PM
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Being a licensed pilot (haven't flown in a very long time though) I think I can claim a bit of understanding on this subject. I think that in general, human judgment and awareness is simply not up to the task of something as complex and unforgiving as flight. I was lucky in not having any emergencies while flying, but did have a few cases where I let myself get closer to a bad spot than I would like.

It can sneak up on you in small increments. Certainly there are some arrogant pilots who simply think they're too good to get in an accident - statistics prove that they are not. But, I think most pilots want to fly safely. We just need more tools than we're born with.

In a car, a small lapse in judgment might cause you to swerve back into your lane. But, then the incident is over. Fate resets. In an airplane, fate doesn't always reset so quickly.

It may be a small error in judgment to consider flying while under pressure. It may be a small error in judgment to discount the weather. Another small error to skip the flight plan, and another to skip de-ice. Sadly, those errors keep adding up. Fate will only reset once back on the ground, alive or not.

That's why check lists, as you stated, are so incredibly important. And just having the checklist isn't enough. You need to rehearse it, and rehearse it again and again. You need to rehearse the checklists so many times that they become patterns burned into your brain. Then, when it's time for a checklist, you still don't rely on memory. You read the checklist and use the pattern as a backup.

I can't sit in a car without a seatbelt. I get incredibly uncomfortable. It's such a pattern that, even to move a foot or two in my driveway, I end up putting the belt on. My brain tells me I can't turn the engine on without a seatbelt. For life critical activities, you need to practice those checklists so often that your brain won't let you go without it. If you don't have the time or care to do so, you're gambling against the odds.

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So sad...
Max The Magnificent   1/14/2014 4:53:12 PM
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I hate to hear stories like this, where folks lose their lives unnecessarily ... life is short enough as it is, and Oh so precious....



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