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daleste
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daleste   1/26/2014 3:08:16 PM
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This should be a very interesting talk.  There has been a lot of work on the hardware side to ensure failsafe electronics for automotive.  Now that the firmware is becoming a bigger part of the picture, the failsafe tactics used on the hardware side need to be implemented in the software.

David Ashton
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Toyota
David Ashton   1/26/2014 5:57:48 PM
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Karen, I know this would be a (very) long shot, but could you not also try and get someone from Toyota to talk about how they overcame these problems?

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Re: Toyota
kfield   1/26/2014 6:15:22 PM
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David - that's a fantastic idea, but I think you are correct a long shot. I was thinking about someone from Medtronics and the hack of their insulin pump (I think it was?) since that is a few years old. K

kfield
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Re: Good topic
kfield   1/26/2014 6:15:40 PM
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Hope to see your there!

Susan Rambo
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Re: Toyota
Susan Rambo   1/26/2014 6:44:07 PM
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That would be a very interesting panel to have Toyota and Medtronics (and other companies) talking about how they dealt with their particular software flaws and legal issues arising from the flaws, but I fear because of the litigation, no company could attend.

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Toyota yet to correct problems
Parris Boyd   1/27/2014 9:22:11 AM
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Since there's no evidence that Toyota has corrected the problems Mr. Barr discovered, it might be kinda tough to get someone from the Recall King to explain how they did. Cases of sudden unintended acceleration continue to pop up, and in one of the latest, cops have ruled out driver error. Meanwhile, the founder of the law firm that won the case in Oklahoma has produced a video wherein he accuses Toyota of a cover-up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7Xxs3g4yU 

Maybe someone from Toyota would like to explain how they manage to deceive the public.

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zewde yeraswork   1/27/2014 11:06:59 AM
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The Toyota case is fascinating. This could be an opportunity for some real insight not only into what happened but what the issues are going to be moving forward for the automotive industry as it heads toward the future of the self-driing car.

Parris Boyd
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Parris Boyd   1/27/2014 11:57:35 AM
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"zewde," it's incredibly "fascinating" that Toyota could keep things quiet for so long, and that consumers were forced to wage full blown lawsuits before the facts came out. The public now has every right in the world to question the relationship between Toyota and NHTSA, especially with Toyota whistleblower Betsy Benjaminson making some pretty strong comments about the issue. Her remarks tend to be supported in yesterday's LA Times article:

"In perhaps the most glaring case, Toyota staffed up with former NHTSA officials as it faced an inquiry into sudden unintended acceleration in its Toyota and Lexus vehicles. Over 10 years, more motorists died from such accidents in Toyota and Lexus vehicles than in cars from all other manufacturers combined." (Emphasis mine)

Sounds like Toyota's cars are already "self-driving."

 

zewde yeraswork
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zewde yeraswork   1/28/2014 9:36:42 AM
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That is a pretty significant revelation, and one that I look forward to hearing our expert-witness speak about at EE Live.

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Re: Toyota yet to correct problems
elctrnx_lyf   1/28/2014 10:23:24 AM
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It is really pathetic that big companies like Toyota are still not able to take care of the essential fail safe mechanisms required for critical embedded systems such as automotive.

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