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Tanpopo
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Tanpopo   7/26/2014 10:33:23 PM
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I agree with Bert. Sooner or later the smart phone will be the portable CPU,

docking to a display with wireless keyboard and mouse.

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Re: Connecting to all these things might get your phone 'dirty'
junko.yoshida   2/7/2014 3:15:29 PM
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@ux005721BB, you raise an excellent point.

See the story we recently posted on Android Malware:

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1320874

 

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Re: Smartphone... or Dumb Terminal?
Wilton.Helm   2/4/2014 3:38:59 PM
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Of course the problem with the smart phone as dumb terminal is that it has to be connected.  While the cost of being connected is reasonable (and going down) and the bandwidth is definitely going up, the reality is that one can't always be connected.  I'm in my third house around the outskirts of Denver.  This is the first one in 14 years where cell service has been available, and no, none of them were "out in the wilderness" each was settled enough to be service by paved roads within a mile and have some sort of homeowners association.  Two of the three even had cable TV accessible.  And cell service was available just down the road or by climbing a tree.

As I travel the roads of Colorado, there are a lot of places I can't use Google Maps because my carrier (no carrier, for that matter) covers it.  Even now, my office, in a walk out basement has marginal cell coverage.  If it wasn't for my Wi-Fi, I'd be in pain.

For the urban dweller, internet of things controlled by a smart phone may work just fine, but for "the rest of us", even vacation road travelers, we depend on what is actually stored n the phone and what can actually run on the phone.  I don't see that reality changing real soon now.  The money (for the carriers) is where the population density is high, and they reach beyond that only when not doing so causes enough pain to enough of their customers.

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Smartphone... or Dumb Terminal?
BobsView   2/4/2014 10:02:29 AM
Some of you may not know what Dumb Terminals are since they are a relic of the early days of computing, when IBM room-sized main-frame computers, which sold for about $30 million, were all the rage.  The idea at the time was to have all the heavy computing done on a powerful stand-alone computer and just have visual interfaces, i.e. Dumb Terminals, to show the results to the end user. 

They don't call them main-frames any more.  They have a new name for them; they call them, "The Cloud."  So the "new???" idea is to have all the heaving lifting done on the Cloud and just download the results to a "Visual Interface" i.e. a Smartphone.

Even though we will call them Smartphones, comparatively, they won't be very smart for a number of reasons; size, weight, battery life, storage capacity, and other limitations.  Most of the real computing will be done remotely, on the Cloud, and the Smartphone will just display the results. 

So even though the Smartphone will appear to be smart to the end user, in essence it will morph into nothing more than a Dumb Terminal.  And thus, the cycle of technology will have reached its conclusion. Stated another way, what goes around comes around.

 

IDontUseTheForumSoWhyAmIForc
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IDontUseTheForumSoWhyAmIForc   2/3/2014 2:18:11 PM
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About 5 years ago I got a smartphone with a full compliment of inertial sensors & connectivity options.  Fast forward to today and the ONLY differences I see between the latest models is faster processors & different screen sizes/resolution.

 

Since I'd rather watch a sports event or movie on a 55" monitor, video resolution on a small screen is a non-issue.  I can't understand why people sacrifice quality for convenience, but I need only look at the history of MP3's to understand how it's happening.

 

A faster processor would be nice ... but it doesn't help me read my email any faster.

 

So with the above in mind, I'd say that the smartphone peaked a number of years ago.  It's definately a commodity device with no further means of expanding.  But what it does have is a quick, accessable interface and using it as a dumb terminal for other devices is pretty much assured.  Other products can be easily developed using the smartphone as a display and data input device.  This is a huge bonus to developers as now they can focus on their product and not necessarily the user interface.  Expect the hype to change from what the smartphone is, to what it can control.

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alex_m1   2/3/2014 7:48:35 AM
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Google has a huge advantage: selling and marketing is far cheaper for it than any other manufacturer.Usually the margins retailers take on consumer electronics are maybe 30%-50% fo product costs. If google sells online only(which it already did in chromecast and in india for moto g) it can cut it to a few percents probably.

That's a huge unfair price advantage.

Also this might be part of moves by google to shift manufacturers to sell online only, since google  makes it money online. Maybe.

 

 

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betajet   2/2/2014 1:33:00 PM
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Like Bitcoin, it's hard to say what a pile of patents are worth.  IMO it's just the price of admission if you want to play Smart Phones with the big boys.  You can get a pile of patents the old-fashioned way by writing lots and lots of patents and having the USPTO rubber-stamp them.  Or you can just buy a bunch of them.

When Nortel went bankrupt their pile of approx 6000 patents sold for US$4.5B.  Hard to say what they're worth in principle, seeing as how all those patents didn't keep Nortel out of bankrupcy.  Google bid for those patents, starting at US$900M and ending at US$3.14159B.  As you can tell from the second number, Google was being gamesome, or maybe ratcheting up the bidding so that the consortium (incl Apple and Microsoft) would waste a lot of money on the patents, weakening their ability to compete on products.  At least with MM, Google bought a going concern, and the patents in question are probably more germane to smart phones and other mobile computers.  Also, MM had 17,000 patents with another 7500 pending.

Besides, if you have a huge cajón full of money you might as well use it to protect yourself when you see known patent agressors spend US$4.5B -- they might want to engage in mischief to get some ROI.  As Chief Brody said in Jaws (1975) "You're gonna need a bigger boat".

JMO/YMMV/IANAL

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Re: Google Moves Signal End of Smartohone Era
Saturation   2/2/2014 11:08:57 AM
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Since Google paid $12B for Motorola Mobility and sold it for ~$2 that's the loss.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/22/technology/google-motorola/

Yes, its clear Google likely just wanted the patents.  Google management has given it a value of the difference in sale price, ~ $10B.  Is it truly worth $10B?  How was such a valuation made?  How is any valuation made?  Time will tell and it takes big cajones to spend so much, the same cajones that gave Nest a valuation 10x of their current earnings.

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Wow. Acknowledgment of tech beyond the smartphone
Bert22306   2/1/2014 6:29:36 PM
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I agree totally that the smartphone is/will be morphing into more of a commodity computing platform, working with any number of peripherals. If there's ANYTHING convincing about this "PC in decline" mantra, that would be it. Powerful multicore, 64-bit smartphones could become the brain of PCs, as long as the peripherals connected to them are adequate.

But the best part of this point of view is that finally someone at EE Times has achnowledged that just maybe, "high tech" did not start and end with the smartphone. Thanks, Junko. Watch the incredulous reactions!

Like anything else, over time, the stand-alone smartphone will be just another transitional product.

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iPhone6 may prove you wrong!
_hm   2/1/2014 5:35:16 PM
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I read little rumours about iPhone6 A8, solar powered device, gesture recognization and may much more.

Apple may drive and push end of Smartphone era few more years.

 

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