Design Con 2015
Breaking News
Comments
Oldest First | Newest First | Threaded View
daleste
User Rank
CEO
Could be better
daleste   2/13/2014 9:23:39 PM
NO RATINGS
ARM processors should be better performance with lower power consumption that will be a better solution for compute and data centers.  I expect this to take over many of the x86 centers.

Bruzzer
User Rank
Freelancer
ARM v x86 duopoly
Bruzzer   2/13/2014 10:12:06 PM
NO RATINGS
For storage service advantage of ARM is well known; good enough for that application. Real time from flash memory array is an into future time story including acceleration.

Success for ARM in web tier has been, and will continue to be, software systems application optimization of the raw x86 ports for customer applications. As the software service community begins to understand this opportunity, which a leading few understand today, including waiting for applications and refined tool's, whole platform development will recognize the intellectual property advantage of commercial reuse. That, of course, is a first mover advantage requiring action over all the potential compliment parties looking at each other waiting to see who starts first.

On open processor modules, has been one keystone of Intel's ARM crush. The other a wave of surplus three generations removed. Open Hug, meaning too asphyxiate, and for industrial embedded, Q7 and MXM3, are lures Goliath relies to place head to head. On system application prototype advantage of the Intel plug compatible replacement two lithography generations ahead, ARM has been stymied at 32 nm, where anyone who does that ARM specific test except for fan less contained chassis chooses Intel or AMD x86. Prototype software development begins and Goliath knows that is that.

At 28 nm the question is open, on performance, but more so price performance on planar layout that is wide and slim v the compact nature of a costly tightly coupled stack. Where footprint does not matter ARM may win and AMD certainly takes advantage today for cost : price. For performance that is low power for price, and design power mm^2, for dense server the jury is still out.

Within the Intel server sales paradigm any power reduction, within the established infrastructure, is evolutionary. When no one is fired for buying the incumbent over upstart. A credo only the best Intel competitive strategists have learned, by doing, to overcome. So do or do not.

The volume opportunity for ARM Intel displacement, over one architectural generation that is nine quarters, is currently one Intel production long run or approximately 60 million units.

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

 

 

compute_manu
User Rank
Rookie
Heterogeneity in datacenters
compute_manu   2/13/2014 10:41:48 PM
NO RATINGS
By bringing ARM architecture to the forefront in desiging CPUs for servers, I think AMD sees a development of heterogenous architecture at the data center level, similar to bigLITTLE processing by ARM. For this, the software ecosystem has to be tweaked and enterprise architecture is  an environment that can see wide fluctuations in compute demands.

Bruzzer
User Rank
Freelancer
Re: Heterogeneity in datacenters
Bruzzer   2/13/2014 11:13:28 PM
NO RATINGS
On audit ARM licensees, and compliment see this acceleration opportunity that can also be described as coprocessing. There are multiple types of ARM +. As there are multiple types of x86 +

A raw green field of programming guides, and the required application notes that are GPU/APU, DSP, FPGA specific and the industrial embedded vertical software system applications, where some laugh moving for commercialization too server, relational, batch processing. Absolutely tweaked for every vertical and how too move to horizontal? Intel is addressing as x86 core + Phi on chip. The product and tools more universal yet can that ease of solution be as application specific?

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

 

zewde yeraswork
User Rank
Blogger
variety
zewde yeraswork   2/14/2014 9:28:00 AM
NO RATINGS
AMD is looking to prepare itself for a variety of compute demands and a great deal of fluctuation by creating a heterogeneous architecture. ARM is going to experience a wave of products based on its solution that will disrupt the traditional x86 stranglehold on the market. But with both X86 and ARM architectures,  AMD is equipped to provide the kind of variety they will need to remain competitive in 2014 and beyond.

luting
User Rank
CEO
One Winner & One looser
luting   2/14/2014 1:13:23 PM
NO RATINGS
If it suceed, there will be only one only winner, ARM, and one looser, Intel. All those ARM server companies are working for ARM.

 

If it fails, there will be only one looser, Intel. Intel will have to cut down server chip margin significantly in order to fail ARM server.

 

No wondering Intel stock PE is lowest among semiconductor companies.

Gondalf
User Rank
Freelancer
Re: One Winner & One looser
Gondalf   2/14/2014 4:07:29 PM
NO RATINGS
Intel stock is in the 20$ from years, the end of your post has not a common sense :). 

Obviously none will be loser or winner, the server market will become pretty big in next years (2X in 6/7 years or so). In this conditions, there is space for all contenders, x86, ARM, RISC, MIPS etc.

Don't be catastrophic

 

luting
User Rank
CEO
Re: One Winner & One looser
luting   2/15/2014 10:28:52 AM
NO RATINGS
Intel PE is 13. It is low comparing with other Semiconductor Company.

 

You might be right about me to be pessimistic. I am not sure server market will gown, in term of revenue, significantly in next 6/7 years for 3 reasons:

 

1. I am seeing those traditional servers buyers, such as Google, Facebook, are migrating to their in-house solution slowly. Those are not always x86 solution.

2. With more companys moving to clould and virtualization, less servers are required due to high server utilization;

 

3. x86 servers are mostly built for general purpose server. The power efficiency and cost efficiency are horrible. I'm seeing more purposefully built servers which could be accelerated by ASIC, FPGA, or even GPU. For power perspective, ASIC is 1000x more power efficient than x86, even FPGA is 100x better in lots of cases. Most of those purposefully built servers are likely ARM based SOC product, with lots of purposeful built acceleration engine direct target to its applications.



Top Comments of the Week
Flash Poll
Like Us on Facebook

Datasheets.com Parts Search

185 million searchable parts
(please enter a part number or hit search to begin)
EE Life
Frankenstein's Fix, Teardowns, Sideshows, Design Contests, Reader Content & More
<b><a href=Betajet">

The Circle – The Future's Imperfect in the Present Tense
Betajet
5 comments
The Circle, a satirical, dystopian novel published in 2013 by San Francisco-based writer Dave Eggers, is about a large, very powerful technology company that combines aspects of Google, ...

Max Maxfield

Recommended Reads From the Engineer's Bookshelf
Max Maxfield
34 comments
I'm not sure if I read more than most folks or not, but I do I know that I spend quite a lot of time reading. I hate to be idle, so I always have a book or two somewhere about my person -- ...

Martin Rowe

Make This Engineering Museum a Reality
Martin Rowe
Post a comment
Vincent Valentine is a man on a mission. He wants to make the first house to ever have a telephone into a telephone museum. Without help, it may not happen.

Rich Quinnell

Making the Grade in Industrial Design
Rich Quinnell
16 comments
As every developer knows, there are the paper specifications for a product design, and then there are the real requirements. The paper specs are dry, bland, and rigidly numeric, making ...

Special Video Section
The LT8640 is a 42V, 5A synchronous step-down regulator ...
The LTC2000 high-speed DAC has low noise and excellent ...
How do you protect the load and ensure output continues to ...
General-purpose DACs have applications in instrumentation, ...
Linear Technology demonstrates its latest measurement ...
10:29
Demos from Maxim Integrated at Electronica 2014 show ...
Bosch CEO Stefan Finkbeiner shows off latest combo and ...
STMicroelectronics demoed this simple gesture control ...
Keysight shows you what signals lurk in real-time at 510MHz ...
TE Connectivity's clear-plastic, full-size model car shows ...
Why culture makes Linear Tech a winner.
Recently formed Architects of Modern Power consortium ...
Specially modified Corvette C7 Stingray responds to ex Indy ...
Avago’s ACPL-K30T is the first solid-state driver qualified ...
NXP launches its line of multi-gate, multifunction, ...
Doug Bailey, VP of marketing at Power Integrations, gives a ...
See how to ease software bring-up with DesignWare IP ...
DesignWare IP Prototyping Kits enable fast software ...
This video explores the LT3086, a new member of our LDO+ ...
In today’s modern electronic systems, the need for power ...