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_hm
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Re: Welcome to world of reality!
_hm   2/17/2014 5:24:34 PM
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@Junko: There are two sides of every coin. When you enjoy one part of western work culture you ougth to eventually face other side of this work culture - abrupt layoff. I do not see anything ominous. I take it as integral part of life, similar to health. It can happen to me or anyone else. What I rather suggest is to make this part of training so people do not get that upset.

On another note, Indians are very much versed with this phenomena. I take this type of news as shocking surprise is amoral.

vlsi_guy
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Re: layoffs in IBM India
vlsi_guy   2/17/2014 4:58:14 PM
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And, on the lighter side, back in those days (approx. 1994) there was always a news story about a mysterious character appearing on one or more of the IBM campuses. that drew local news coverage .He wore a SuperMan costume and generally tried to create bad press!


But, the "S" on his outfit was not for SuperMan, it was for "Surplus" man :-)
Geeze, I can laugh about it these days, wasn't funny back then...
Have lots of stories like this, one day (the old cliche) - "I should write a book" applies :-)


Worked with a guy at Intel, he told me he accepted a job in Oregon (some Japanese tech company I seemed to recall). Picked up, drove his kids, dog, wife all the way from NE to Oregon. Arrived at work on Monday only to be told his manager and manager's team were let go the Friday before (i.e., he no longer had a job).


See; take solace in that when you have it bad, someone else is getting shafted even more ;-} And, yes, we have become jaded :-(

Frank Tu
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inhumane
Frank Tu   2/17/2014 4:42:39 PM
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Long, meandering, misdirected artlcle.

What was inhumane?  Oh, the drama of it all!  A "bloodbath"?  "Turned into a slaughterhouse"??!  So there were people being clubbed to death or chopped with machetes?  Was the meat sold on the market?  Or is this just terrible journalism?  Maybe they were quotes, so just a bad journalist (blogger) that didn't ignor the inaccurate descriptions while looking for headlines rather than sane truth. 

I'm sure IBM policy for lay-offs is very rational.  One would hope the local management handled things professionally.  Nothing I see in the writing indicates anything embarrasing, humiliating, or inhumane.  Gee, they made you give back the company computers?  You thought they should have let you keep them? 

This handwriting was on the wall (IBM has been suffering for a while now) and their execs have indicated that "rebalancing" was coming.  There never has been a promise of lifetime employment anywhere.  If these disgruntled employees had found another job and were leaving IBM, would they have given 3 months notice, trained their successor, and still kept the laptop?

As someone else said, welcome to the real world.

junko.yoshida
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Re: layoffs in IBM India
junko.yoshida   2/17/2014 4:42:06 PM
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@vlsi guy, damn, your description of the scene is so real. By just by reading your post, i felt the chill in my spine. 

junko.yoshida
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Re: Welcome to world of reality!
junko.yoshida   2/17/2014 4:39:20 PM
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@_hm, just because it has become a common practice in the United States, it doesn't make it right for anyone who has dedidated their life to a company to be abruptly told to leave. I think those of us who live in the U.S. are too jaded.

 

_hm
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Welcome to world of reality!
_hm   2/17/2014 3:23:47 PM
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Report looks like more accentuated as if it is first time experience. IBM HR is very capable and they will not do anything "inhumane". What IBM does is generally a benchmark. This may look so in India but it is common practice in North America. If group of person performs poorly for any reason, this happens. I would say welcome to world of reality. It can happen to anyone.

Once it is experienced more often to more organization in India, it will be taken as general accepted practice.

 

 

vlsi_guy
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Re: layoffs in IBM India
vlsi_guy   2/17/2014 12:53:09 PM
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Hang tough fellow Indian engineers, time heals all wounds! Having been through IBM layoffs myself (in Poughkeepsie NY) I know it is NO fun at all (fortunately I was not laid off, but the sheer amount of layoffs drove moral to an all time low for those who were left). Not to mention the local economic impact it had, depreciation of home values, etc., etc., etc.


I remember it like it was yesterday, first round happened on Friday. We were called into our manager's offices and told that later on in the day you would get a call from your manager. It would either be a call letting you know you could go home for the weekend and come back on Monday, or...


The rest of that afternoon was eerie quite, you could here a pin drop in the hallway. You would here a phone ring in someone's office, then here them walking to their managers office to be told what the verdict was. It seemed like I was in a death row cell, watching people get called for either their execution or parole (I love the melodramatic :-).


``ring - ring, hello, be right there... footsteps by my office door, I wave to Joe, good luck buddy - I say. Hope to see you on Monday at work..."


No fun, no fun at all...

hinara
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layoffs in IBM India
hinara   2/17/2014 12:19:19 PM
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What's so inhuman about it.....?  This happens at every big company in the US. There is no love lkast betwenn employers and employees any more. Indians are too emotional. You are not married to IBM. Just get out and find another job. Don't be cry babies.

Sanjib.A
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inhuman treatment
Sanjib.A   2/17/2014 12:01:58 PM
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"people broke down after seeing the inhuman treatment"...

I have read this news a couple of days back in newspaper, but did not hear from anybody who is affected by this job cut. So I don't know how far "inhuman" the treatment was. But I would expect atleast a modest professional way of handling this situation. Now a days nobody has an expectation that his/her job would be assured in companies like this...but atleast the treatment to the employees should be respectful & professional while parting. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"...this is applicable to this kind of layoff cases as well if there was really an inhuman treatment...IBM might already have lost its reputation as a good employer. Unfortunately, lack of enforcement of proper employment laws in private sector, by Indian Government is also to some extent responsible for this kind of "inhuman treatment" scenario.

 


rick merritt
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Who got cut?
rick merritt   2/17/2014 11:43:16 AM
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Good report. I would love to hear from some of those affected about what sorts of jobs in the hardware group got cut. Any involved with chip or process design?

As you know IBM is once again reported to be considering a sale of its semiconductor group, another big piece of its hardware division. Many fpoks see Globalfoundries as the likely buyer

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