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Sheetal.Pandey
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Engineering degrees
Sheetal.Pandey   2/25/2014 12:56:04 AM
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Well I would say in US kids are given choice to make their career and when there is choice kids would like to pursue different careers not just engineering. And also the population as such of US is lesser. In countries like India parents put too much pressure on kids to take up only engineering and medicine so that they can show to their peers that their kids are doing good in studies. And population is also higher here. Imagine how many engineers would come in. And then many people in India have one dream to settle in US somehow so that their life become easy. They apply for H1 and go there.

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Susan Rambo   2/25/2014 4:03:15 PM
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Hi Sheetal. So you're saying in the US kids aren't pressured by parents to become engineers, but they do it for the love it? Maybe you're right. I know kids are pressured in the US to become doctors or lawyers.

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Tuition
Kevin Neilson   2/25/2014 2:48:40 PM
Rose Poly (aka Rose Hulman) was a great school.  The profs were chosen for their ability to teach and I never had a TA, even for a lab.  Nor did I ever have a multiple-choice test.  But holy smokes:  the current tuition is out of control (as it is for all of these schools).  Two-thirds of EE undergraduate instruction is the same as it was in 1970, so I don't see why it should cost so much more now to teach differential equations or Kirchoff's Law than it did then.


I have to protest the assertion in the article that there are more jobs than engineers.  In a free market, supply and demand are the same, excluding some friction.  There are no unfilled positions.  There are only inadequate offers.  Anybody--anybody--who wants to hire X engineers immediately can do so.  Any company or manager or orchard owner who says he can't hire enough people is incorrect.


Companies like to say they can't hire enough engineers even if they offer market rates.  This is such an illogical statement.  The definition of the market rate is the rate which you must pay to fill the position.  If you can't fill the position, then by definition you aren't offering a market rate. 

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Re: Tuition
Susan Rambo   2/25/2014 4:11:33 PM
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@anon8464524: "I don't see why it should cost so much more now to teach differential equations or Kirchoff's Law than it did then."

Good point. It's the money that's worth less? Regarding supply and demand for engineers: I think you are saying is supply is now high because it's a global workforce. (I know this is way off in another century, but after the Black Death in Europe, skilled workers could demand and get more money for a while because supply was low.) So supply and demand is like water finding the lowest point and settling there.


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Re: Tuition
Kevin Neilson   2/25/2014 6:40:40 PM
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Yes, of course the money is worth less, but the tuition at Rose (and all these schools) has grown much much faster than inflation. At least I know that Rose probably isn't squandering it on sports. (There are no sports scholarships, in any case.) And they can't really use the excuse that they need lots of high-tech equipment, because that was the case when I was there too, and computers and lab equipment cost a lot more then than it does now. Scopes and computers are all much cheaper.

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stvw   3/3/2014 11:44:04 AM
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I am going to comment specifically on the article presenting information about Cal Poly SLO. I'm a 1979 Electronic Engineering grad from there.

The facts presented in the article don't seem to paint an accurate picture of the institution. The issue I have is the quoted tuition. It is a good number as far as it goes, i.e. $8,742 for tuition. However, the cost of attending Cal Poly from their own website is estimated at $24,177 or nearly 3 times the tuition!  Doesn't this more closely reflect the expected cost of getting an education at this institution?

Another BIG issue with the article is that there are TWO California Polytechnic Universities. Cal Poly Pamona is a great school too with a similar reputation in industry. Shouldn't the article have mentioned both?

They have different locations but similar educational philosophies.


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pseudoid   3/8/2014 5:09:54 PM
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The old man insisted that I go to Stevens Tech (Hoboken, NJ), become a Mechanical Engineerand he'd pay for it.  I shrugged my shoulders, packed my belongings and moved out to Cleveland and got an EE degree at Fenn College of Engineering (CSU).  No student loans, no scholarships and no aid.  I just busted hump and worked as mechanic, machinist and tech jobs, while daddy dear paid for a Rutgers/Princeton PhD philosophy degree and a Columbia Masters  anthropology degree for my sisters.  The divide became so wide that I never talked to the family since. 

But I would do it the same way again since the rewards (of blood/sweat/tears) are priceless.

CC VanDorne
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CC VanDorne   6/3/2014 1:52:55 PM
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Life's too short, man.

MeasurementBlues
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MeasurementBlues   3/3/2014 12:26:16 AM
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@Susan "after the Black Death in Europe, skilled workers could demand and get more money for a while because supply was low.)"

My daughter just wrote about that for her high school history class. How ironic you should mention that today.

seaEE
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seaEE   2/25/2014 10:39:11 PM
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Here is an interesting article in the NY Times that I saw the other day titled:

How to Get a Job at Google

 

Read the linked article.  The senior VP of people operations for Google makes an interesting comment: ""when you look at people who don't go to school and make their way in the world, those are exceptional human beings. And we should do everything we can to find those people." Too many colleges, he added, "don't deliver on what they promise. You generate a ton of debt, you don't learn the most useful things for your life. It's [just] an extended adolescence."

Some of the things Google is lookinig for: do you have a sense of humility and of ownership.  Do you know when to step forward, and when also to step back?

jgrig
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Olin College
jgrig   2/26/2014 12:55:49 PM
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Olin is a relatively new school (a little over 10 years old).  I am surprised that you mention that it is near Boston College, and not the fact that it is right next door to Babson College (where they can also take courses).  Wesleyan University is not located anywhere near Olin.  I think you meant to say Wellesly College, which is a couple of miles away and also lets Olin students take courses.

I also wish you had mentioned something about the Olin Scholarship which is very generous.

No, I didn't go there.

MeasurementBlues
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MeasurementBlues   3/3/2014 12:21:10 AM
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Olin is in Needham, Mass., which borders Wellesley, home to Babson College and Wellesley College. Babson is a very good business school (I could have gone there for my MBA). Wellesley is a top women's college.

Boston College (could have gone there for my MBA too) is about 8 miles from Olin.

We never hear about Oil in the local press. MIT gets all the coverage. Oh yes, there's some other school in Cambridge that get a lot of press, too.

ewjohnson
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Valparaiso University
ewjohnson   2/27/2014 10:43:19 PM
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#7 should be Valparaiso University. 

Valparaiso Technical Institute (shown in the picture) closed in 1991 and was a radio/TV tech school. 

We are the College of Engineering at Valparaiso University, lots of good things are happening: http://www.valpo.edu/engineering/

MeasurementBlues
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WPI
MeasurementBlues   3/3/2014 12:14:15 AM
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Worcester Polytechnic Institute. First to offer an undergraduate degree in robotics engineering.

MeasurementBlues
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Rose Hulman
MeasurementBlues   3/3/2014 12:23:21 AM
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Participated in EcoCar. See EDN's coverage of the R-H EcoCar team.

KatyJordan
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The importance of dissertation
KatyJordan   5/15/2014 5:15:26 PM
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I've heard that such big tech companies like IBM, Microsoft claim that they can't find talented people, while 30% of young people (20-24 years) can't find jobs. Why they can't American undergrads and train them? Big Indian companies, for example, employ college students, train them, and send to big companies. Maybe students should study better, and write good papers? By the way, do you know that dissertation is very important as an entire grade depends on this final paper? Consult  this service http://dissertationwritinglab.com/, it can assist you with the dissertation writing process and also it contains a good collection of tips how to make well-written and well-structured paper without any mistakes. 

thuston88
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Valpo vs Valparaiso
thuston88   5/16/2014 1:25:07 PM
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Obviously, this author is not familiar with some of these schools.  The listing says Valparaiso University College of Engineering but the article title says Valparaiso Technical Institute.  These are two entirely different schools.  Valparaiso University is routinely recognized as a top school in the US News and World Reports annual rankings for small midwestern schools.  It has an excellent engineering school with top notch professors who actually teach instead of doing research.  Go Crusaders!



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