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thanks! talk to you next time!

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thanks! have a good one!

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On that note, the show is over for today. THanks everyone for chiming in during this roundtable chat about MWC. I'm signing out, too.  Have a good weekend everyone.

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Bye Pablo. I'll be looking for more stories from you!

 

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That's a good point you make about Facebook's "hook and spend"  -- which goes back to Junko's point about watch out for that $25 smartphone.  Thanks Pablo, it was great having you here.

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thanks for chiming in, pablo

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Guys, I have to leave. thank you for inviting me and have a great weekend, wherever you are.

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It's a war for eyeballs--Andy Grove circa 1995

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Nokia did a good PR job. they have all the press there, and they introduced seberal new phones at once. I believe they have a good product for cost concious customers.

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I think Nokia's move is smart. Nokia gets traction (it can run Android apps) but Google Play and apps are cut out of the deal--eyeballs go to Bing and MS services.

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Right. That's the american model, Pablo.

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maybe because I was not there on the ground to see the good vibe coming from nokia

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I definitely see Nokia falling back into the bad habit of doing things to all people with too many platforms

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Yes, I saw the keynote. I think it is online. And I saw the Gemalto Facebook SIM, to hook people with feature phones to FB and make them spend more money.

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Pablo, what do you mean by Nokia having done a good job?

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there are a lot of gray areas

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SO you saw the keynote, Pablo? He's out of touch, eh?

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About Nokia, I think they did a good job at MWC. They have promising new handsets. It is a pity that the company survival lays on the low-cost market.

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rick, i do agree; when it comes to wearables, there is a whole host of issues surrounding medical devices vs. home care devices

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@Junko: Yes heart meters are good for some, but them some doctors say that is too much data to interpret or be responsible to interpret--old thinking probably

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I didn't like the Zuckerberg keynote. He was talking about internet for the next billion, but he has no idea about how much people can pay in some countries.

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TBD what combo of sensors and smart software deliver something...really cool

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Astronauts had all these things in the 60s and now we're finally getting them.

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but who knows, Rick, for those who are worried about heart, that must be their killer app

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@Pablo: Eric Topol spoke at the annual SIA dinner here. He was funny, pithy and smart

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@rick, I don't want sleep tracker either

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#5  Taking fifth place was Mobile World Congress keynoter Facebook, with Mark Zuckerberg's company landing 11,276 mentions.

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@Junko: I think Web access in a handset was the killer app of the iPhone--or call it a compelling use case. Not sure tracking my heart beats is compelling.

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there will have to be so many different types of wearables for each of different apps

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And # 5.   wait for it ....

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@Caleb: Agreed. Smartphone is the word gateway for wearable peripherals

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but we may be getting this all wrong. I don't think there will be ONE killer app

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I recommend to follow Eric Topol on Twitter. He talks about medicine and devices.

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4. And Nokia's shift to Android (33,599 mentions) topped the new product launches from Sony (24,392 mentions) and HTC (14,392 mention).

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I'm not waiting for the iphone of wearables. I want the best wearable for my iphone

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3. In terms of the top brands mentioned, Hotwire/33Digital said that Samsung led the way with 41,519 mentions – aided no doubt by its high-profile launch of the Galaxy S5.

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no, wearables are much more at this point

caleb, yes, they are; but we are talking about something even smaller and talk to your phones

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Baidu guy yesterday made an interesting comment that the wearable focus on health apps is great but not a killer app, we haven't found the iPhone of wearables yet, he said.

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Max, you need a Chromebook... no Windows anymore

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at least we are out of that all wearables are smart watches phase

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2. IoT topped the list with 3,697 mentions by the end of Wednesday. It was followed by wearables (2,191 mentions), the connected car (1,527 mentions), 5G (1,434 mentions) and privacy (1,103).

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isn't our phone an incredible wearable?

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My computer is messing up -- I'm going to have to re-boot -- C U on the flip side -- Max

Susan, they are talking about 50 billion devices by 2020. It is a huge market.

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did we pass v1 with the quartz wristwatch?

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I am still waiting for something that will speak to me, as a consumer

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ah, interesting. speaking of wearables, do we feel that we have pased v. 1.0?

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#1:The Internet of Things was the top Twitter trend at Mobile World Congress, according to data from agency Hotwire/33Digital.

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So talk amongst yourself

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Hey, I danced with keepon, I like cute. But a cute toy doesn't effect my opinion of a phone.

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Junko, not many good freebies this year, but I was not scouting for them. Last year 2,500 people got a Sony phone to try NFC

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I want to post these stats that Rick Merritt pulled from http://www.mobileworldlive.com sooo pardon me if I do the Burma Shave sign thing:

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yeah, caleb is a hard hard man

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not to buy a phone. Maybe a case.

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Caleb you are cruel. Cute doesn't sway you?

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oh, speaking of those freebees, that's the best you got at MWC?

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easily forgettable gimmick in my opinion.

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@Pablo, Were there a lot of toys there?

It is cute, Junko.

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of course, cute is big in Asia

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They want to sell them with the phones. We got a black one after the S5 event, together with a 64 Gb microSD

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are they selling it? or it's just for the show, pablo?

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@Max, i never said you were. But now I know.

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the kidrobot is a toy, a funny looking robot that doesn't do anything, but they have artists painting it in different ways

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@Susan: @Max, Have you used tried programming an NFC dongle/chip for any purpose?

No -- never -- I don't care what anyone says -- I'm not that sort of boy!

Juno, that seems to be the case, but atendees at MWC got a special NFC case for their iPhones.

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I'd like to know what you think about the Samsung kidrobot. I got one at the Samsung presentation, a bit quirky

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So, Apple is the only hold out for NFC today?

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so if people are voluntarily doing this modification, there is probably a bit of a market

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I've seen people modify their phones to insert smartcards. Makes it a bit more convenient to carry.

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@Max, Have you used tried programming an NFC dongle/chip for any purpose?

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haha, I live in the midwest. Subwway is for food!

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Basically we are talking about putting the smartcards in the mobile phone.

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Caleb, Sony and Philips developed the standard. NXP is Philips' NFC company, and they provide smartcard technology everywhere. If you use a tap and pay card to use the subway, you are using NFC

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@Susan: It's amazing how insulated we are, unless you are a US engineer who is tinkering with this stuff. Right Max?

I don't know -- I'm a UK engineer who happens to be living in the USA -- I can;t speak for those rascally US engineers :-)

since sony kind of shot itself in the foot with firewire by charging so much for licensing. Kind of killed their own market.

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NFC seems to be a good solution to concerns over security, which are increasing all the time.

Is it common for all handsets to read the 3 types of NFC now -did you see that at MWC? At ISSCC MediaTek presented a paper for a NFC A, B &F reader, but I guess it's already available in some phones now.

NFC is not for high-speed data transfers, it is for secure short transactions.

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haha, that is the question every time sony pushes something of their own

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Really, Junko? It's amazing how insulated we are, unless you are a US engineer who is tinkering with this stuff. Right Max?

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Junko, you're right. In Japan is everywhere, you can use it to pay the subway, to buy groceries, to listen to music.

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so is NFC going to be the next firewire?

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Is it common for all handsets to read the 3 types of NFC now -did you see that at MWC? At ISSCC MediaTek presented a paper for a NFC A, B &F reader, but I guess it's already available in some phones now.

I think the US is one of those countries where NFC feels like "new." The rest of the world has a lot of infrastructure already

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yes, i saw a video online of how to program your Samsung to recognize an NFC chip or dongle that you can buy yourself. It seemed easy.

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Many people talk about Host Card Emulation, now that Google supports it. It will be a boost for the mobile payments industry

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Sony is pushing NFC really hard, but they actually invented it. It helps connect their devices and acts as security token.

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Jessica, that's true. It will be a throw away!

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Susan, NFC is very strong. I had several talks with people from NXP, Visa and other players.

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If smartphones are $25-50, wearables will be dirt cheap in the future. You can buy wearables in bulk for all your future significant others!

http://publicdomainreview.org/collections/robert-cornelius-self-portrait-the-first-ever-selfie-1839/

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hmmm, good to know, caleb

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I want to ask about NFC --- Pablo what did you see gadgetwise for near field communication that people could use with their phonee?

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@Susan: That means when you get a new boyfriend, you have to toss the old wearable or erase it.

I don;t think my wife would like me to get a new boyfriend LOL

Huawei has installed a better mega pixel cmos sensor for the front camera

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he took the first in 1839

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I hadn't heard the term at all until recently.

but seriously, when Richard Yu at Huawei spent close to an hour talking about selfies at CES, I got really sick

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who started that any way?

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Jessica, I agree. I hate that word too

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that's what selective memories are for

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but of course, once you break up, you want to destroy everything you recorded!

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Susan, yes, guard2me.com. 

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That means when you get a new boyfriend, you have to toss the old wearable or erase it.

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For the record, I hate the term selfie

I am just saying, that selfies are definitely good for those romantically involved

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you know, reliving your "relationship"

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I still think selfies are for the self-absorbed, but I do know of some of my girlfriends who want to record every romantic encouter of their boyfriend

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Junko, so have you changed your mind about selfies?

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who knew they needed a touch screen phone? Who knew they needed gyroscopes in their phone? etc

 

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Was there a wearable there for that purpose? (I might need it soon.) What were we talking about?

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Or perhaps for people who have other medical conditions that need constant (and often expensive) monitoring

actually, when I was going back and forth with our readers, I realized that I could argue for selfies

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to me the best wearable is the one aimed to find people suffering dementia and others that need help.

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susan, but then, they will probably forget how to use the device!

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caleb, that's true; and consumers wouldn't know at this point that they needed this, right?

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Actually it's not a bad idea for people who have short-term memory loss.

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i mean recording your own life

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sometimes they have to throw a feature in there that hasn't been asked for yet. Then people figure out great uses for it.

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susan, yeah, wouldn't that be a hoot?

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The wearable trend seems a bit ridiculous.

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Well, I agree with you about the wearables, Junko. I lke the idea that they could be more helpful to your 86-yr-old mom for remember what she just did.

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I actually think that most smartphones today have realized what were on consumers' wish list. No? What's still missing?

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in addition to fingerprint sensors, you also had some interesting image sensors come up at MWC

Max, I saw something like that, but I have to go back to my notes to find it. The technology exists.

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The important thing is that Europe defined GSM 25 years ago, and that changed the industry. We are still using that basic technology.

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gadget wise, other than finger print stuff, what elee you guys are interested in?

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i agree with you Max.

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when I was living in Europe

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Rick, there were several conferences, I attended the one by Neelie Kroes, VP of the EU Commission and leaders from Nokia-Networks, Ericsson, Orange and Alcatel-Lucent

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I remember writing about that 3G is still not here at every MWC

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pablo, i know, that was a long 14 years

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Junko, there is no standard, the working group wants to have initial definitions by 2018, and trials by 2020. It took over 14 years from GSM to 3G

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@Susan: The finger print sensor systems for passwords seemed hot to me.

What I want is for my phone to simply recognise me and only work for me -- and if someone else picks it up for it to start shouting "Hey! Who are you? Put me down!"

Who spoke on 5G at MWC?

 

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They want a new definition of networks, multiwave,  distributed, working on any spectrum type, adaptive to different waveforms and, most importantly, energy efficient and sustainable

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kind of surprised print scanners are coming back

 

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so, 5G is still vaporware

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The finger print sensor systems for passwords seemed hot to me. The EgisTek and others...

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There's a lot of debate about 28, 39, 60 and etc GHz servcies for Gbit servcies at least in urban areas, but spectrum is still not available and the tech needs work, I think

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The EU Commission and the 5GPPP have commited €3 billion to develop the technology by 2020.

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What did they say about 5G at MWC?

 

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pablo, did they show any demo on 5G

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Mediatek seems like a formidable challenger to Western companies

Pablo, what else did you find HOT?

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Another big thing at MWC was the talk about 5G. Europe wants to take the lead again in defining the standards

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even all the chinese fabless use ARM's IP

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no, i meant mtk will promote their chips going into the US market

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Well, ARM is a British firm and most processors such as Apple's and Qualcomm are based on their technology. But they don't manufacture anything

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jessica, that's their plan. will see

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Will eastern chip cos like MediaTek stop their push into the US market then?

well, more precisely, Qualcomm does by using ARM IPs

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Intel has been trying to make up ground in the smartphone chip market for some time, but it feels almost half-hearted at this point

 

er, that's what i mean ARM. oops

 

exactly, pablo. that's why I think that we could even say game over for those western chip companies

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ARM claims to have 80% of the smartphone market

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companies to watch are all the chinese fabless guys

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Jessica, I don't believe companies such as Intel and AMD can play at that level. I saw Intel at the show demostrating perfomace, not cost.

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i think they are too late

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amd is not in the smartphone biz

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Do you think companies like AMD who have built their busines on cheap parts will florish with widespread cheap smartphones?

 

Max, the EU Commission is pushing new security and privacy rules now. It will cost American companies heavy fines not to comply.

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one of the analysts that I talked to -- IDC guy -- believes that at below $50, there is still margin to be had by hardware ODMs

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In Europe it is difficult to comply with emmission regulations if you don't have good shielding. Many "clones" from China do not pass

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Security has got to be a big issue -- I think the cell phone companies in Europe are more on top of thsi than they are in America (much like the credit card companies -- we are so behind in the USA)

I wonder as Junko suggests if there is much money to be made on this very real market at the low end. Apple may do just fine with its high-profit slice.

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when a lot of people were betting that smartphones were too expensive for chinese consumers....

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Susan, the prototype I saw looked very well constructed, but it will be to OEMs to build those phones and there is no much margin to pay for good components.

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remember, spreadtrum changed the smartphone landscape when it rolled out $60 smartphone platform in China

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i think they are descent

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i am not saying samsung and apple will go away ... but the rest will change

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Yes, as Sheetal was saying earlier, will these phones be durable?

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yeah it seemed like cheaper smartphones kept coming up in articles written about MWC, in different contexts too

 

this will change who will be the key players in the mobile world for the next five years

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The MWC has many faces. Many people are looking for new devices, but the important stuff happens in the background and during the conferences. Security is a big issue now, and device management.

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no question. $25 smartphones. this will change everything

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I wish! I'm in San Francisco (well, home sick in Oakland).

Yes Junko, let's do that. What was on the hot list at MWC

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Hi Jessica, I believe you are on this side of the pond too

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I'd like to hear what was hot at MWC

I like Pablo's observation that "While tradeshows are no longer the place to announce new products -- manufacturers tend to release them at their convenience -- the annual Mobile World Congress in Barcelona sometimes proves the outlier"

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Great stories Pablo!

 

so where do we start? should we start with what was hot list at MWC?

 

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Pablo, will you be attending EE Live! 2014?

Rick, I saw the prototype. I believe most of it is integrated in the Spreadtrum chipset. The rest is a bit of RAM and a small display.

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Pablo Valerio was our reporter on the ground in Barcelona this week. It's getting late where he is, so we might not have him on for the same chat. Welcome Pablo.

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I am glad Pablo is here. our man on the ground!

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For anyone else joining us, welcome to EE Times' Live Chat on Mobile World Congress.  Make sure you are logged in so you can comment and join the fun.

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I'd love to see the full Bill of Materials on that $25 Firefox phone sometime

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functional yes... aestetic? not so much

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Well, the heartbeat works by looking at small veins in your finger. The app tuns on the led flash and then you cober the lens with your fingerprint. There are several apps available for iPhone and Android

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Caleb -- is your applause-o-meter working yet?

Hi Susan, Hi Pablo, Hi Caleb

Welcome to EE Times, Pablo!

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if we're counting all the possible uses of the camera we might as well advertise them as having spectrometers!

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What else did Sony guy tell you?

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Really? Wow. Interesting. I'd like to hear more about that Pablo.

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The S5 has a heartbeat sensor, but talking to Sony yesterday they told me how to do it in any phone. You just need an app and the camera.

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Yes, but sensors get smaller every year, so at least the big museum can shrink.

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I don't know, it seems every year there's a new "most sensors ever!"... it would be abig museum

 

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I think the Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 may be famous museum pieces some day because they're the first or one of the first phones that have that many sensors in them. They are amazing.

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Wow. The orchestra? That sounds wonderful.

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Thank you Susan. MWC is fun, and big! I had to run to several places to get on time for meetings and conferences. There is little time to wander around but I was able to see some interesting devices and technology.

The Samsung launch of Galaxy S5 was impressive. That was worth going to, not just to see the products but also the experience. The best was the Barcelona Opera Chamber Orchesta paying live at the Convention Center.

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Hi Pablo. Thanks. Did you enjoy MWC? THanks for checking in. I enjoyed your stories and slide show on smartphones.

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Susan, I don't know if I'll be able to make the chat, but I'll try. But I believe the $25 Firefox Spreadtrum smartphone will be sucessful because it supports wi-fi. There is no other phone with wi-fi in that price range. 

While the phone only supports 2G Edge, the possibility of wi-fi makes the phone very attrative for cost conscious users and developing markets.

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Hi Sheetal. yes good point. Will the phone be durable or just a throwaway. $25 is still expensive for a throwawy thing. Good questions. I don't know if you''l be around in 2 hours for the chat but we'll discuss your comments then and you can come back and look at this link after the fact. Thanks for participating.

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Will it be available in India?? I have bought a low cost tab cum smartphone around $70. Cant use it as phone..using only for internet browsing. There is lot of intereference when used as phone.. and once fell down the power key broke...

$25 phones fantastic. But would it be durable? Will its processor be able to handle voice and internet traffic simultaneously. Cant believe $25 phone really available...how can the mfr. afford it..

Yes, it's going to be good.

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OOh! Looking forward to it! I'll be there!

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Join EE Times Staff for Live Chat: What Mattered at MWC -- Selfies, $25 Phones and others; Friday Feb. 28, 10 am PT/ 1:00 PM ET

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