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Max The Magnificent
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Holding the ancient past in the palm of your hand
Max The Magnificent   3/19/2014 10:04:46 AM
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Re the picture of an iPad as a coaster -- did you see my blog Holding the ancient past in the palm of your hand where I show a pic of my ancient Sumerian clay tablet. The information it stores is still retrievable after 4,200 years...

Measurement.Blues
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Re: Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
Measurement.Blues   3/19/2014 10:02:48 AM
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@Max,
I would never keep my passwords in the cloud.

MeasurementBlues didn't say that, I did.

Max The Magnificent
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Re: Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
Max The Magnificent   3/19/2014 9:58:59 AM
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@MeasurementBlues: I would never keep my passwords in the cloud.

No need, I have copies of all your passwords (ooops)

Measurement.Blues
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Re: Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
Measurement.Blues   3/19/2014 9:53:41 AM
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Clouds can evaporate, as we have seen. I would never keep my passwords in the cloud.

Fred Grevin
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Re: Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
Fred Grevin   3/18/2014 5:15:45 PM
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I teach the Spring semester class on Digital Preservation for the Graduate School of Library Science and Information Studies at Queens College (a Senior College of the City University of NY).

The first reading is "A Canticle for Leibowitz". The older students get it; the younger ones, not so much.

Fred

JeffL_2
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Re: Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
JeffL_2   3/18/2014 7:59:40 AM
"The cloud"? That's just "let somebody else take care of it". Target was warned by Fireeye they had a data breach "in the cloud" but they ignored the problem until it was too late and the credit card data of 70 million customers was stolen. MtGox "had a little problem in the cloud" and the next thing they knew ALL their Bitcoins were gone and they were applying for bankruptcy. Experience tells us you use the cloud for convenience (and maybe for saving a little money) but NOT for security! Would you want to be the CEO at a major film studio (say Disney for example) having to explain to the stockholders that the entire digital film vault was compromised because you had decided to save a few bucks and leave the backup responsibility up to "the cloud"? I don't think so!

Bill_Jaffa
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Long term storage, retrieval, and readability
Bill_Jaffa   3/17/2014 7:53:50 PM
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Hey folks, they call it "the cloud", at least thatr's an honest name, and one that says it all as a key indicator of its survivability and viability for long-term storage. (Does anyone out there recall "A Canticle for Leibowitz"?)

mhrackin
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Re: If my house catches fire...
mhrackin   3/17/2014 4:36:45 PM
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MY father left me about 60,000 slides, many in large Carousel trays organized as slide shows.  H electured extensively on art, and was a world traveler and avid photographer among other things.  HIS projector still works, but I'll never get around to digitizing all I have.  It mostly fills a large walk-in closet....  I had hoped to find someone with a way to automatically digitize the slides IN the trays, but never found anyone.  I have some external HDDs (one connected to my WiFi router accessible to all my PCs)  but have been too lax in regularly backing up.  When my old "mainstay" XP machine went belly-up last year, i lost a LOT of important stuff ((the HDD was a casualty of the crash).  Live and learn....

MeasurementBlues
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Re: Where's the "archival" media?
MeasurementBlues   3/17/2014 2:06:44 PM
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@Jeffl_2. I just may alwasy keep in XP computer around because it can run much of the old software that I can use to convert to newer formats. It has a 3.5-in.

A few years ago, I fired up a Win98 box, which as a 5.25-in. floppy and copied some files to newer media. I then converted some MultiMate ,doc files to Word .doc. Using OpenOffice or an old version of WordPerfect.

Don't burn those bridges.

JeffL_2
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Where's the "archival" media?
JeffL_2   3/17/2014 1:06:01 PM
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Now of course printed hardcopies will have severe limitations because our electronic documents tend to be anything but flat, they link to many other items and in the long run the "links won't work". But if we think we have problems what about these giant media behemoths? It sort of boggles the imagination that the current generation that so criticized previous ones for being so slow to transfer older films on fire-prone acetate-based film stock that many earlier masterpieces were lost, themselves have neither a "future-proof" strategy nor an archival medium available to preserve the current cinematic masterpieces for another generation. Perhaps CD technology that is literally "using lasers to burn pits into aluminum" will last for awhile - oops, does anyone remember the early discs and "laser rot" (humid delamination)? Certainly DVDs and later technologies that are merely representing phase change in a dye are not preserving anything by performing an "irreversible process", and as far as hard disk copies go - gee that's right they ALL fail given enough time don't they? Well at least media FORMATS stay around almost forever don't they (wait a minute, when was the last time I had a machine with a Bernoulli drive again)? The most amazing thing is there's just about ZERO discussion about what to do about this pitiful state of affairs, and maybe if the big studios would start to take seriously the financial consequences of the potential loss of TRILLIONS in entertainment IP then we could "tag along" on their choice of archival media, and come up with some innovations of our own to "fill in the holes" that represent our own special needs.

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