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@chris: they do work for youtube

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we removed the smiley feature because the editors couldn't stop using it .... a chat of only smileys

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Yeah, embeds don't work, tried that with TAH audio player

ah, it does indeed prevent random iframes. ;-)

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Next up, UBM needs to figure out how to insert smileys

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@Jason, I always do! :-D

@Chris: count me in on the beer meetup!

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awesome.

I have to run. See you all next week!

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ok, awesome. Want to have a place to have listners to meet up, would love for it to be an official event 

email me chris, I'm serious. we have one.

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see everyone at EELive!

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@Caleb, ahem ahem, what about the beer meetup list? C'monnnnn, man!

Nah bunnie, looking forward to learning more.  Very informative.

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Good chatting everyone, see you all next week!

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@bunnie, bring it on! I love that stuff :-D

@bunnie maybe a list of good tips for the newbie?

if any of you want to arrange communication with me, you can email me at caleb.kraft@ubm.com and I'll give you my cell number!

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@Caleb: I probably spent too much of the hour looking at how to embed fancy things. I could always show another example. :-)

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Thx for the chat! Looking forward to the event

i'll try not to turn it into a group support session for my sad supply chain problems.

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I'm really excited about seeing you all at EELive. Especially if this chat was any hint as to what it will be like!

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Yup, Jason is right. Supply chain is ALWAYS the toughtest part though, IMO, regardless of size.

alrighty good night!

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I definitely feel managing the supply chain is the biggest challenge for someone getting into OSHW and trying to make money. Getting into manufacturing is relatively easy.

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Well folks, our hour is up!

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@sabron it'd have to be fly by night, because once they realize you're offering that service you'll be on the blacklist right away. You'd have to know the secret knock to get in on it ;)

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Ha, there we go, Caleb jumped on it. Dragon Innovation kinda does this on a larger scale already.

Looks like we're on the same page sabron

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There can be great opportunity when people artificially inflate prices...

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Alternately, there'd be a business opportunity on doing the quoting overseas for everyone. You go to their site, pop in the parts you need, they register Asia prices for you.

Not a bad idea at all Bunnie. Maybe I should start a company that only servs to get quotations for other companies.

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bunnie, love that idea.  I'd pay for a service like that.

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@jason it's crazy the disparity you have in pricing between the US and asia.

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Ha, that's a great idea actually. Or start a bunch of them. Like a DDoS, but a DRfQ :-)

haha, I know when I was in manufacturing we would never cut the price of what one of our sales reps in another country told a customer. At least not without some serious negotiations.

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I think I'm going to start a shell company for quotations, so I can throw away the name after I'm done with that phase and clear the registration tables :)

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@Duane: great having you. look for a ping from me.

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Yeah, you shouldn't need to be outside the system if you're giving them business. I always wonder about the whole, "How many are you making" question. I know they ask that for a good reason, but it's a question of, "How the hell should I know, the product ain't done yet!"

@bunnie: it definitely seems interesting that your perspective is that US companies are putting their US customers at a disadvantage.

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I had one key component lock-in a higher price recently, simply because an agent quoted it out in the US, because it was in stock there and I needed it quickly. Now I have to figure out how to undo that.

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I have to run, but I'll thow in a last shameless self-promotion of Max and my Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steelpuppet/universal-screw-block-proto-shield-system-for-ardu

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Well, I hate dealing with Arrow and AvNet salespeople anyway (quit calling me!!).  No big loss.  :)

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It's getting worse. I'm doing all my design overseas now, but it seems simply having a relationship to a company in my supply chain that has a US office is enough to bump my prices up.

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Yeah, I've talked to FAE friends who know about some disreputable folks that do "drive bys"...where they just say they talked to someone and pick up the registration

My experience has been on the mega humongo corporation side of things. I get good pricing because prices had been negotiated with a vendor at a very high level and I just happened to benefit. Small companies (which are the mostl likely for OSHW) don't benefit from that

Ah, brutal.  I didn't know that the conspiracy actually existed.

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The thing that annoyed me about that was the sales rep didn't *do* anything to close the sale. Normally, the registration is only supposed to happen if they got an FAE to help with the design-win, e.g. some distributors have guys who can come on-site to help debug code or review schematics. This was just a quotation, and the registration was claimed.

Ultimately, you could try to source components at the lower "china price" but they have to go through the gray market, so the purchaser and producer identities are lost. But doing that carries its own risks.

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And yeah, as Zach said, that's a reason to haul ass to Shenzhen in the first place! :-)

Yeah, sounds about right. Pricing is a tricky business.

@bunnie explains why we were able to get good prices on components; we did all of our design while we were in China :-)

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Solid example: I designed in an MCU into a product. Design work was done, at the time, in the US. Pricing was around $1.40 in the US. I went to Asia and got quotes on the part number and price was coming in around $1.00.

I went to place the order, and once it hit the factory, it bounced; they returned the price to $1.40 and refused to give it to me at $1.00.

What happened was the sales rep I was working with in the US reported my company name and part number to the factory, and the factory cross-checks all orders placed globally against the registration table. If you match against someone who claims your regsitration, then the factory will honor the pricing originally given. The theory is to protect the efforts of FAEs and sales reps in the US from overseas price competition, I think.

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Sounds like we'll have a lot to talk about at EELive!

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@Bunnie, can tell you more about it in person. And I meant the pricing registration, not UL

oooh, de-registering UL certs? sounds tricky

 

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bunnie, I'm not on the purchasing side...  How does talking to US suppliers lock you in?  Seems like you could find a supply/purchasing friend in Asia any time, no?

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yah? if you know a way to "de-register" a part I'd love to hear it.

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@Bunnie @sabron I might be able to fix that part registration problem

@zach and then you get the vendor who sends you the certification but then you realize it's got a fake registration. Fortunately, all UL registrations are searchable for free, so I cross-check the certs after I get them.

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@Zach Ain't nothin easier than designin the UL logo into the plastic! :-D

boldport does have some pretty PCBs. Love organic style

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@mathilde, I've seen that a LOT in os software. I haven't paid much attention in hardware though, good point.

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Recent conversations we've been having with some overseas vendors:

Spark: "Is this UL certified?"

Vendor: "Yes. It says so on the product."

Spark: "Can you show us the certification?"

Vendor: "Oh, no, it's not certified."

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but in the context of design registrations, a lot of OSHW startups in the US don't realize that by talking to vendors in the US they have locked themselves into US prices even if they go overseas, at least if they want to buy genuine parts not on the gray market.

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@zsupalla +1 for coherent branding, and I would add a better way to communicate on versionning. That would make product adoption much easier for the non DIY community

Caleb, talking about BoldPort?  :)

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@I've seen some beautiful open source pCBs, but they were designed with the sole purpose of being beautiful

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bunnie, yes the supply chain is still antiquated.  Still using the sales tactics of the 60s.  I keep waiting for Ali Express to take a big bite of this opportunity.  (and waiting...)

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@Caleb I think the OSHW world could use some aesthetic principles from the closed world. Just because something's open source doesn't mean it has to be ugly :-)

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@Bunnie, might have to have you back on the show to talk about that sometime :-D

@chris dealing with vendors in asia is a whole topic in itself.

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+1 to @sabron: shipping $$$$ with an OSHW product is a recipe for failure.

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@sabron that's good to hear. Would be nice to do something about the design registration issue though, I've seen so many times an Avnet or Arrow lock in a distributor price on a design for the mere exchange of an email, when most of the actual effort comes from the community.

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While they're not willing to take a big loss on dev/oshw boards, they do see the gain from doing it at-cost.  (despite all their MBA economics classes saying "never ever do anything at cost!")

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@Bunnie, is this behavior the same in Asia as well? Curiuos about how you interact with sales teams over there for your projcts.

Chris - you're right a smart person can trace it through though.

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Bunnie, absolutely true, but that seems to be changing now.  (from discussions with Atmel employees & watching new TI and Intel projects)

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I think it's the exact same for chip companies. If I use a BeagleBone Black to design a project, I'm much more likely to design with TI parts in the future by default. 

@the panelists, is there something that you feel the open source hardware community should learn from the closed community?

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@Duane, it'll NEVER be direct though. It has to be more like Mercedes or Jaguar....you have to start showing a kid ads when he's 10 so he'll buy one at 40

@jason i agree, most sales reps and FAEs can get design registrations for doing very little work but at least they can trace their effort to solid revenue gains to a vendor as a result.

OSHW-supported reference design platforms have no such traceability, and furthermore the sales reps and FAEs have no motivation to give credit to the community for any increase in sales. Thus for a vendor to recognize the impact of an OSHW project it has to be an unequivocal and very public success.

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Chris - the MBAs can get that tie in if they let their engineers design something that customers want and that works well. Cut too many corners and they won't see that tie in.

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We'll root for you till you succeed, then we'll cry "sellout!"

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Caleb - I've seen a bit of that on Max and my Kickstarter already.

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@Caleb, exactly, it's this odd scenario where the MBAs demand some kind of tie in with results but they'll never get it.

@Caleb: There are lots of annecdotes that it helps, but agreed.... measuring is what engineers do best and it is really hard to measure the impact a good DIY platform has to a big vendor.

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The Atmel based Arduino varients and quite powerful enough to do much in the commercial space (IMHO). That's why no million chip order. Arduino on 32 bit does have the power and capability.

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you can't be the underdog forever!

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there's also the success delimma with our social group. many open source proponents are anti-establishment.  Success and money are usually seen as establishment, especially if it isn't yours!

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developing an arduino style prototyping board isn't turning into a million chip order in a measurable way, so they are confused.

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@betajet dunno, I'm perfectly happy to use the vendor-supplied tools. They work okay and I can build lots of open hardware projects and share the verilog.

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I think there's still a little bit of confusion from the big companies. They KNOW they should be supporting the DIY community but they aren't quite seeing enough returns to justify it in many cases.

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One of the keys to OSHW is open documentation for ICs.  This is particularly important for programmable ICs.  Yet FPGAs, which are some of the most useful (or potentially useful) programmable ICs, have closed programming documentation so you must use the vendor's tools.  IMO this has held back FPGAs' potential and has made a number of useful applications impractical, such as reconfigurable computers.  Anybody have opinions on this topic?

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I think it's interesting how Atmel was kind of pulled into the space and now are putting lots of resources behind the hobbyist community. When Arduino started, it didn't seem like they cared too much (I'm sure they did a little) but it seems like they really care now!

zsupalla: agree 100%.  I'm refusing all contracts to redo Arduino hacks because 100% of the time people think, "it kinda works!  just tweak it and ship it"

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@caleb yes, i think open hardware is strong when it disrupts well-established industrial tools. started with 3D printing, lasercut... but i think we are going towards more and more of open hardware alternative machining tools

@zach yes I <3 that decision

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The real potential will be realized with the Arduino system on bigger processors, like the ARM. More power, more capability, lower price

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@bunnie yeah well that's true, and why we're using an STM32 in the Spark Core :-)

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Ah, first I've heard of the Tre.  Neato, but looks rather big!  It's two, two, two CPUs in one.

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I think in general there will be a move towards prototyping platforms that work in production too. We've solved the problem of getting a prototype up and running in a couple of hours; now the next problem to solve is how to very easily transition from first prototype to manufacturable product.

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@zach but AGH Atmel chips are so expensive and hard to source

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Printrbot is interesting. So is lulzbot and ultimaker.

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The Arduino hardware form-factor boards will stay for prototyping, but the language and the actual circuit will be viable

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@chris, I'm good at the encouraging. I'm a profressional navel-gazer though!

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@Caleb Great prototyping tools translate very well into production. The Arduino Uno is a bit long in the tooth but the ATmega328p is still a viable base for a product that doesn't need much horsepower

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@chris +1 ! and have more profitable companies. I think Printrbot is great success story for exemple, we need more of them

@Duane, there was a commercial business printer that used arduino. you could rip it out and replace it. I don't know how well it did.

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Caleb - I think it's going to become viable in commercial products, not just for prototyping.

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"navel-gazing" - I like that term

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@duane, is it really a basis for commercial products? Or just a prototyping too before you make your own design?

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I think one thing about OSHW is that there can't be too much navel-gazing. The best way to promote OSHW is to build more of it and encourage others to do the same.

Caleb - The Arduino breaking out of the hobby market and becoming a viable base for commercial and consumer products.

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@Caleb: +1 on @mathilde's comments

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@sabron: Arduino Tre. Debian in-the-box. (and a bit more I can't say yet)

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I guess I overlook development boards. I was thinking of commercial items.

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@caleb Yes, but membership should come with active participation. OSHWA needs to improve its communication, and community tools

The BB Black isn't enough for remembering for 2014...  Are they coming out with something new?

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Hey @ChrisGammell_CE!  Crazy day yesterday, back to the grindstone today.  

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Sure, but beaglebone was already in the news 2013.

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And, do you feel it is necessary to join the OSHWA?

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@Caleb: shameless self promotions?

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Spark, BeagleBone, and bunnie studios :-)

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So, what names will we be remembering for open source at the end of 2014?

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Except for maybe the data glove.  :)

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And for the name.  Oculus might be the most famous VR project ever.

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Hey @2rhb! How's life around the office these days? ;-)

I think the opportunity cost of not building an ecosystem around your product is higher than the additional burden put on competitors looking to clone what you make. Cloning is just too easy to try to fight in all but a very few cases. Your differentiation is often more on the expertise, value chain (including brand) and supply chain.

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@Zsupalla, Oculus wasn't open source either. I get your point though, they bought for the talent.

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Steve Klabnik has a good theory on why VC's invest in open source companies (sw focused) 

Is npm worth $2.6MM? - basically, it's an infrastructure investment that enables many other companies to scale faster. OS company has inside track on other projects using their tech.

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Chris - not to seem old fasioned, but I've only gotten into the Arduino world this year. Even though it's far from new, it's my favorite OSHW project right now.

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@Caleb just because you have smart people doesn't mean you have expertise in a particular area. Facebook might have a ton of super geniuses but they didn't know VR until they purchased Oculus

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Chris, location seems to matter to all the expats living in Shenzhen...?

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@mathildeBerchon: I think enough investors are educated about value beyond design materials and patents that it doesn't matter so much about the ones who aren't.

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I think part of the problem with the question if OSHW companies could be acquired is that many people who start companies and practice open source aren't necessarily looking for an exit strategy that involves an acquisition.


If you start, day one, thinking your trajectory is acquisition, it's less attractive to be open: one way to prop up your value is by controlling the flow of information about your product.

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I'm tempted to make a hall of shame for people that scrape the package numbers off their chips...  Usually it takes an hour to figure out.

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@chrisgammell open source beehives :-)

But, if you were google, why not just adapt the open source product if you didn't need the talent?

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@jkridner expect if you have investors who don't see it that way

OK, panel, how about this: What's your favorite OSHW project right now (aside from one you're working on)?

re: Croud funding - I've dipped my tyoe into crowd funding with a Kickstarter. I've been involved in just about every other type of funding through years past, so I'm enjoying learning about crowd funding now.

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@Duane: Open source seems to rarely be a disadvantage.

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different electronics markets, social media, etc.

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@Duane agreed! Plus, electronics can be reverse engineered relatively easily, and they're not protected by copyright anyway (at least not the same way that software is).

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@Mathilde, while it would be great to see the world as a whole, we typically see a US+Europe/ Asia split

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@ChrisGammell_CE: I agree, but capital does. Crowd funding is nice, but doesn't fix everything.

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@Bunnie, no oke.  First time I've ever considered living in Kansas City was when Google Fiber made their announcement :-D

I'm not a buyer of companies, but if I were, I wouldn't shy away from a good purchase just because it's open source. Design cycles are so quick these days that the best business offence and defence is to keep designing good products.

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Ah! Great point Zach. It's about community building, I like that.

what about seeing the world as a whole? hard to think inside countries boundaries anymore, even more for production

@Chris definitely not! I think you misinterpreted my comment, I just gave a good list of why OSHW companies could and should be acquired :-) Just not for IP. But look at some of the huge acquisitions lately. Instagram wasn't purchased for IP; anyone can make a cameraphone app. They were purchased for their community and their users. Same could be true for OSHW companies.

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I think these days "location" doesn't matter nearly as much as, "Good internet connection and access to an airport"

Well, as you said Bunnie, the definitions change in Asia.

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@Bunnie, ALL of Asia? that's a big place!

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So does that make me in-sourced by default, now that I'm also outside?

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Bunnie, you just picked a good location! :-)

Branding is super, super important, but if the product isn't good enough, a brand won't help in the long run.

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@Duane: I think that really is the interesting thing about the market right now.... more smaller players due to the means of manufacturing being more affordable.

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Lets say google wanted to use some open source mapping system. Why would they buy the company when they can just build from the plans? Talent.

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So follow up question then, Zach: Does that mean that OSHW companies are by default "Lifestyle" companies, as there are no ways for acquisition?

I've outsourced myself to Asia. ;)

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I like the term "outhousing" in place of "outsourcing".  It's the opposite of keeping things "in house".

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@zsupalla: definitely agree branding is super-important, but I'd say it is more important to the success of the project than to the success of the individual making open hardware. you can have a hugely successful project and make no money. For example, I don't directly benefit from individual BeagleBone sales.

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@duane with an increase in "distributed manufacturing" too where users become part of the supply chain. wonder about quality control though...

I, for one, welcome our insourcing overlords

@Chris There are a number of reasons that companies get acquired. It might be talent, or community/customers, or brand... and none of those things are diminished if a product is open source. If a company is being purchased for IP, and the IP is open source, then that would make them difficult to acquire.

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re "Sparkfun and Adafruit own multiple parts of the value chain"

I find that trend very interesting. That's the way it was a few decades ago. Everybod had their own manufacturing. Then everybody went on an outsourcing binge. It's interesting to see the the reverasal trend

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i know. I was joking....that's why i said "reading"

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@Susan: hmmm.... just because I think about economics? /me is a Libertarian, not a Socialist.

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I could see some open source companies falling to google. Especially if they are doing mapping or spatial recording

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Jason, you sound like you've been reading Karl Marx.

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@zsupalla true, branding is super important in open hardware... which i think many engineers don't fully realize yet

Both Sparkfun and Adafruit own multiple parts of the value chain, including production and distribution

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OK, I have a question for the panelists, given the Facebook/Oculus news: What open source hw companies could/would be bought and would it ever be for as much as Oculus or Nest?

@susan, the drawback to open in the consumer market is that the design is rarely cost or performance optimized, which is not competitive in the consumer space.

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@Susan: you can certainly make money off open hardware, but it is a lot easier if you own the means for production. if you can't make the boards yourself, there is still value in support, etc., but there are so many places where you have to "share the wealth" that you can eventually be cut out of the value chain.

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Single product companies might be more scared though, understandably.

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Adafruit and Sparkfun are both successfull open source

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@susanrambo Currently, the ones that are making a living are the companies in the prototyping and/or education market (arduino, adafruit, sparkfun... for the big ones).. don't see many already profitable in the consumer product world

EE Times always writes stories about big companies fighting over patents, and here Mathilde says just throw out the patents. Refreshing.

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@Susan yes, absolutely! You either have to build a brand around your hardware or make money through something other than the hardware.

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@Susan, Open doesnt mean free, just that you have access to all the information. The Arduino folks seem to be doing well with their open design

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glass is for checking your facebook while you jog. the rift is for zoning out when you're done jogging.

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@makingsociety: And Facebook would be the app?

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Making society - something along those lines was my first thought; that they're going to try and play Google.

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@Mathilde, I don't. There's a huge difference in target market between the two. I think Facebook will be focusing on entertainment (video, chat, casual gaming). While Glass is mobile data.

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Ahah, caleb, just saw that! Pressure is on :-) would like some feedback: http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1321530

@Duane Yeah, guess so, my dad used to bring me puzzles from trade shows, always liked thos. I think maybe for the big kids having small component kits could be cool. Build something new.

Can anyone make a living off open hardware and what are the main issues with it?

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Looks like the party started early

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About Oculus - Do you think it's Facebook's answer to Google Glasses? Like developping their own virtual world around their platform...

Squeezie things are only good if you have little kids back home that are expecting something.

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Oh yeah! I forgot to email Mathilde and let her know that her story published!

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Pens, stickers, squeezie things? Eh, not so much.

I think it is a good thing for VR ultimately.

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With rookies like these, i hate to see the old-timers. So, did anyone read "Hardware Startups: Don't Be Scared, Share!"   by Mathilde Berchon, Founder, MakingSociety.com, who is on the chat now?

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The best swag is something that's unique I guess. Or useful.

I ran out of coffee and beer, so it's just tea for me right now

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well, it's 1AM here so it's well into beer territory. more like scotch territory.

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I think you're a rookie unless you're in our system as a blogger.

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Caleb - I saw that. Interesting

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oh really? beer at starbucks? that's appealing.

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@Duane, not sure about good swag

I did see about Facebook. Don't really see the match there. Guess it was more about who came with the first best offer.

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I, too, am a rookie.

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bunnie: I have coffee instead. :(  Did you hear I'll be able to replace my coffee with beer soon at Starbucks?

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So, completely NOT open source related, but has everyone seen that FACEBOOK baught Oculus VR?

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aww, apparently I'm a rookie. sad face.

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Not just dogs - beagles, I assume.

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oh cool and Zach too :) it's a regular party. Let me grab a beer.

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I've used the socks more than the board.

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Hey all - Zach from Spark here. Is my mic on?

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ok cool. I guess I'm here. What next? :)

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Hi bunnie, yes. BeagleBone socks?!?  I want!

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Yep Bunnie, we see you!

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well, they were just socks with dogs on them

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So. can people read this?

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Beaglebone socks? Cool.

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Chris - what would be good swag to you? I just give out T-shirts

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The beaglebone people sent me socks. I was pleased with this decision.

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Ah...the key is "valid"

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Susan, looks like you just need to post valid HTML.

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Never mind. I was wrong.

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@susan, I'm not sure what exactly you're asking there. You can't embed an image?

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@chris, it caches every few minutes.

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How come we can post a video but not a image, which is one frame in a video?

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I'm going to have a pocket full of dev boards to hand out at EElive... how should I determine who gets them?

 

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Anyway, how about a serious question for Jason: What kind of swag will the BeagleBone team be giving away?

Gotta try what I can, right? It'll help with "progress" of getting your IT team to include some more fun fiddly bits. I can already see the front page update for "recent comments" slowing down. I can only imagine I'll be marked as a spammer soon.

just don't crash ou rserver guys.

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Nice video. I didn't realize we could do that here

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Kridner, the wysiwyg will strip out any js, but you might be able to sneak it in via the html button.

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If I knew ahead of time, I'd be embedding something that grabs data from http://dweet.io.

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howaboutthat?

Susan, if you like the content, great! I was just learning about what I can do with this chat tool. It is interesting to me as a minor league HTML hacker.

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Well that's fine with me. I want to try out this HTML editor in the chat.

Chris - I think that may, in fact, be the point

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Jason, we can post your video as a video blog, so it shows up on your content page: http://www.eetimes.com/profile.asp?piddl_userid=57814

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I posted what I needed on Twitter and was able to trade a couple of chips so I'll have both on my boards at the Gadget Smackdown.

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two fold. We want to get people excited about talking with our panelists, but also allow people who can't make the event to ask some questions!

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I was in a panic over my Gadget Smackdown project - the Atmega chip I need is out of stock forever, I think.

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So what is the point of this chat though, other than for me to terrorize it with my inane comments? Ask them about their projects?

that is a big subject, too big for this chat!

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Surprised you guys haven't switched over to a Wordpress-esque system yet. Think it'd be easier for editing and such.

I'll try to get you that important information, Chris.

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gotta do it all manual here

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Ah, guess you'll have to copy paste to see that, silly commenting system. Google likes it when links are there.

Ha, that's awesome http://i.imgur.com/PnqFcxD.png?1

don't smack your forehead too hard.

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the snark river flows strongest around hackerspaces

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Oh man, is this just the comment system done in a real-time way? That means all of these comments will also be scrolling across the front page, eh?

Ghostbusters 2, thank you very much, I just re-watched that the other day

you can make links, but they're invisible!

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like the pink slime from ghostbusters

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I guess it is at least possible to create a link to @ChrisGammell_CE

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I often think that the DIY community runs on snark

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yeah, we kick things old school here at EEtimes. Trying to be as close to print as possible around here I guess

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Usually one of my favorite parts of uStream or Google Hangouts (like ask an engineer) are the side chatter in the chat room. So much snark.

I don't know @ChrisGammel_CE

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we have a secret map of the beer hangouts.

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it's like AOL days. Do @mentions work?

I dig the high-low tech of this.

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OK, first, most important question: where are the beer hangouts at EELive?

Nope, no video, no real agenda, just chit chat!

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Hi Caleb. Is this all that is needed to chat? No video or anything, right?

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