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aotearoan
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Re: What kind of World do we Live in?
aotearoan   3/28/2014 1:33:09 PM
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@Kirby2008:

Precisely. You took my second example - I'm glad you did.

 

 

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Re: What kind of World do we Live in?
Kirby2008   3/28/2014 12:30:26 PM
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@LarryM99:

"He signed an oath. He broke that oath. He is a criminal. That is as binary as you can get."

There are a lot of gray areas in all of this and at times exceptions do apply.  If one goes by your above statement, do you feel the same about people within Nazi Germany that secretly assisted the Allies in WWII?  These people also took an oath to their Country/Hitler, but felt it was against their moral compass and felt compelled to assist the Allies even though being caught meant certain death for themselves and most likely their families.  Granted I am using an extreme comparison, but the point is that at times there are always exceptions.

 

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Re: What kind of World do we Live in?
aotearoan   3/28/2014 11:36:49 AM
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@LarryM99:

"He signed an oath. He broke that oath. He is a criminal. That is as binary as you can get."

Didn't a British Imperial Officer, named George Washington, break his oath to The King? Would you prefer he didn't? The world is always analog, even when it appears digital.

Snowden's act of taking the oath was done under reasonable assumption that his employment will not require breaking the law. In the course of employment, he uncovered criminal activity. If he didn't break his oath, he would have been partner in crime.

Why are we not concerned with those that didn't see or want to see the problem (still collecting their hefty and safe gov't paychecks)?

 

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Re: What kind of World do we Live in?
LarryM99   3/27/2014 9:07:24 PM
I did start to watch the video until it locked up. If I were truly paranoid I would read something into that...

I appreciate that the world is sometimes depressingly analog, and that governments do bad things (I went through all of this with Watergate back when things really did seem much simpler). Be that as it may, the facts that I stated unambiguously are uncontested. He signed an oath. He broke that oath. He is a criminal. That is as binary as you can get.

Regarding my opinion of him ('jerk' was not my first choice, by the way), when someone argues that his actions are the best for everybody and they just happen to coincide with his own self-interest that is a huge red flag for me and strike one. When someone decides unilaterally what is best for everyone that is strike two. When they hide from the consequences and milk it for all it is worth then they are out as far as I am concerned.

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What kind of World do we Live in?
pseudoid   3/27/2014 5:21:57 PM
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@LarryM99, I am not here to change your mind or even to sway you one way or another.

If life and the world we lived in was simply in the digital domain and things could be either a "1" or a "0". my head would not hurt so much.  Even if both were tri-state devices, I would still need that crate of Aspirins I referenced in my previous post.

But... (there is always a but in my analog realm) during the ted.com conference in Whistler Canada (March 17-21, 2014); there was a 35 minute video interview with Edward Snowden (http://embed.ted.com/talks/edward_snowden_here_s_how_we_take_back_the_internet.html) that I thought was very informative.  Would you be kind enough to take the time and watch it and then let me know if this world is that simple?  Please!

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Re: Huawei lockdown
junko.yoshida   3/27/2014 2:52:52 PM
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Yep. I can believe that.

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Re: Cold War redux
junko.yoshida   3/27/2014 2:49:40 PM
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@wilber_xbox, exactly. And that greatly worries me. When we know a lot of things are not exactly black and white, it is so easy to paint the other just plain evil. Did we learn anything from the Cold War?

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Huawei lockdown
rick merritt   3/27/2014 2:44:57 PM
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Interestingly insiders say Huawei is very secure. Even employees from outside branches can't bring their laptops in and out easily.

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Re: Cold War redux
Clive"Max"Maxfield   3/27/2014 1:59:20 PM
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@Larry: Regarding Snowden, in my mind it is very clear. He took a legally and morally binding oath and he broke it.

I tend to lean this way myself

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Re: Cold War redux
Clive"Max"Maxfield   3/27/2014 1:57:15 PM
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@Larry: My opinion is that he is a self-aggrandizing jerk, but there is no law against that.

a) Thank goodness

b) At least, not yet :-)

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