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Bert22306
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Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Bert22306   4/10/2014 4:35:06 PM
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I think the main point is missed here. The problem, even if we say "perceived problem," is the involvement of the Chinese government with Huawei, not Huawei itself. It is that Chinese government cyberespionnage may be making use of Huawei products.

And certainly yes, the fact that the NSA is playing similar games with US companies is a perfectly valid point. But it does not invalidate the concern over Huawei. If anything, it reinforces the point.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Duane Benson   4/10/2014 5:05:11 PM
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"...involvement of the Chinese government with Huawei..."

Maybe, it's just governments in general that are the problem. We have to have them and I personally very much prefer my goverment over others, but all government is inherently at risk of abuse and should never be blndly trusted.

On the other hand - are corporations any more trustable? Microsoft, Steam, Apple and many others are essentially working toward an end that will allow them, if the so desire, to completely dictate how and when we can use the stuff we give them money for.

Somedays I miss my simple pencil.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Bert22306   4/10/2014 6:24:20 PM
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Corporations are not more trustable, most likely, but at least there is some recourse. If they do something illegal or ethically questionable, they can be sued and fined.

In the case in point, no amount of PR from Huawei comes across as convincing. Because what concerns people is not in Huawei's control. It's instead the Chinese government, and we certainly haven't heard anything from them on this matter, right?

If there's a slight glimmer of hope that such uncontrolled spying on individuals can be brought to light in the US, and create a huge stink, I'm afraid that even such slight glimmer of hope does not exist under many regimes around the world.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
stroydex   4/11/2014 3:21:03 AM
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Yes, all the nutjobs now think there is moral parity between a regime that uses its spying apparatus for internal repression, industrial espionage, and certainly now towards the ends of aggressive and revanchist foreign policy on the neighboring seas, vs the NSA which is justifiably trying to ascertain whether Huawei is a key instrument in all those areas.

And when Snowden made these parallel claims that the NSA was into the industrial espionage game, it sure seemed like something he just pulled out of the air just because he thought he could get away with it.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Sheetal.Pandey   4/11/2014 7:03:18 AM
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Due to the past experience of Chinese government all the companies based out of China have to pay the price. This is something that is mindset driven and would not go away so easily. Other thing Huwaei is always known for making their engineeers work round the clock. Another negative pubilicity.

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No clean hands
rick merritt   4/11/2014 10:37:56 AM
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I lived in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen massacre so have no love lost on the China government. However Ed Snowden showed our hands are not exactly clean either.

In its time Huawei was accused of stealing Cisco code, so I suppose it has some comeuppance, too.

But the company has worked hard gaining technical chops and employing all sorts of Motorola, Ericsson and other engineers in thre US and Europe when those Western companeis were laying off people. It has also been stepping up into leadewrship roles in all sorts of standards groups, too. (Can't say that for secretive giants like Apple.)

What Huawei needs now is a new marketing program, maybe a name/logo change and some high profile public service projects. The engineers are doing just fine, methinks.

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Re: No clean hands
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 10:48:55 AM
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@rick, I agree that Huawei has improved a lot its technical capabilities, and have good engineers working for them.

The company actually said last year that was not focusing on the US market anymore, but lnow it ooks like they want to comeback. I spoke with some US telecom executives a few weeks ago during the MWC, and many were talking to Huawei about possible deals.

Many ISPs and telecoms in the US want Huawei back in the game to improve competition but no one wants to be the first to admit using their systems. That is the issue Huawei needs to fix.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 10:54:02 AM
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"Corporations are not more trustable, most likely, but at least there is some recourse"

@Bert, that is actually the point. Huawei, and other companies, can not afford to be acused of spying on corporations and people. US technology companies, especially in the cloud computing business, are losing billions in Europe because of the NSA spying scandal.

It is in the best interest of Huawei, Cisco, and others to try to stay clear of any attempt of their respective governments to use their technology for their dirty work.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 11:01:06 AM
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"Microsoft, Steam, Apple and many others are essentially working toward an end that will allow them, if the so desire, to completely dictate how and when we can use the stuff we give them money for."

@Duane, I do miss my simple pencil too, and I still write my blogs on paper, with a fountain pen.

I believe people need to be back in control, of governments and privacy! Europe is taking some steps in that direction, but not enough.

What we need is clear rules of what corporations can collect, store and share, and put users back in control. And governments need to focus their cybersecurity efforts in stopping others from hacking our networks, not trying to do it themselves.

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But Can the Equipment be Trusted?
BobsView   4/11/2014 1:52:51 PM
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Bert brings up an excellent point.  If the NSA has found a way to use Huawei equipment to it's advantage, then so can other governments and autonomous groups.

Perhaps Huawei equipment is more vulnerable to hacking than Cisco or other manufacturer's equipment.  I just don't know.

 

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