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Bert22306
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Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Bert22306   4/10/2014 4:35:06 PM
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I think the main point is missed here. The problem, even if we say "perceived problem," is the involvement of the Chinese government with Huawei, not Huawei itself. It is that Chinese government cyberespionnage may be making use of Huawei products.

And certainly yes, the fact that the NSA is playing similar games with US companies is a perfectly valid point. But it does not invalidate the concern over Huawei. If anything, it reinforces the point.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Duane Benson   4/10/2014 5:05:11 PM
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"...involvement of the Chinese government with Huawei..."

Maybe, it's just governments in general that are the problem. We have to have them and I personally very much prefer my goverment over others, but all government is inherently at risk of abuse and should never be blndly trusted.

On the other hand - are corporations any more trustable? Microsoft, Steam, Apple and many others are essentially working toward an end that will allow them, if the so desire, to completely dictate how and when we can use the stuff we give them money for.

Somedays I miss my simple pencil.

Bert22306
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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Bert22306   4/10/2014 6:24:20 PM
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Corporations are not more trustable, most likely, but at least there is some recourse. If they do something illegal or ethically questionable, they can be sued and fined.

In the case in point, no amount of PR from Huawei comes across as convincing. Because what concerns people is not in Huawei's control. It's instead the Chinese government, and we certainly haven't heard anything from them on this matter, right?

If there's a slight glimmer of hope that such uncontrolled spying on individuals can be brought to light in the US, and create a huge stink, I'm afraid that even such slight glimmer of hope does not exist under many regimes around the world.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 10:54:02 AM
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"Corporations are not more trustable, most likely, but at least there is some recourse"

@Bert, that is actually the point. Huawei, and other companies, can not afford to be acused of spying on corporations and people. US technology companies, especially in the cloud computing business, are losing billions in Europe because of the NSA spying scandal.

It is in the best interest of Huawei, Cisco, and others to try to stay clear of any attempt of their respective governments to use their technology for their dirty work.

Bert22306
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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Bert22306   4/11/2014 3:53:28 PM
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It is in the best interest of Huawei, Cisco, and others to try to stay clear of any attempt of their respective governments to use their technology for their dirty work.

So that's the point, Pablo. It is indeed in the best interest of these companies to not do their government's bidding.

However, in the US, this is conceivably possible. Because we have laws about unreasonable search and seizure, and it's even enshrined in the 4th Amendment to our consitution. On the other hand, in China, there is no similar law. Therefore, no matter how many mea culpas we profess, for having done the same things that Huawei was accused of, it is somewhat possible that our companies will wise up in the future, but the same cannot be said for companies based in countries that have no 4th Amendment, or similar.

The accent on Huawei is misplaced. They are not in control of this problem. Whatever their PR says on the subject is less than credible, unless and until their government makes a statement on the subject.

Pablo Valerio
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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 11:01:06 AM
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"Microsoft, Steam, Apple and many others are essentially working toward an end that will allow them, if the so desire, to completely dictate how and when we can use the stuff we give them money for."

@Duane, I do miss my simple pencil too, and I still write my blogs on paper, with a fountain pen.

I believe people need to be back in control, of governments and privacy! Europe is taking some steps in that direction, but not enough.

What we need is clear rules of what corporations can collect, store and share, and put users back in control. And governments need to focus their cybersecurity efforts in stopping others from hacking our networks, not trying to do it themselves.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
stroydex   4/11/2014 3:21:03 AM
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Yes, all the nutjobs now think there is moral parity between a regime that uses its spying apparatus for internal repression, industrial espionage, and certainly now towards the ends of aggressive and revanchist foreign policy on the neighboring seas, vs the NSA which is justifiably trying to ascertain whether Huawei is a key instrument in all those areas.

And when Snowden made these parallel claims that the NSA was into the industrial espionage game, it sure seemed like something he just pulled out of the air just because he thought he could get away with it.

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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
Sheetal.Pandey   4/11/2014 7:03:18 AM
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Due to the past experience of Chinese government all the companies based out of China have to pay the price. This is something that is mindset driven and would not go away so easily. Other thing Huwaei is always known for making their engineeers work round the clock. Another negative pubilicity.

cjleeusa
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Re: Emphasis on Huawei itself is misplaced
cjleeusa   4/13/2014 8:58:55 AM
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It should be a pure business problem.


If us gov has concern, all original codes are in US gov hands and us gov can do anything they want to do, like find the bug or any spy method or block it.

 

Only politic concern is that us gov maybe not that easy to ask Huawei to set a backdoor for us gov itself and us gov may lost the control of the network. But us gov does ask US companies to do this. 

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No clean hands
rick merritt   4/11/2014 10:37:56 AM
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I lived in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen massacre so have no love lost on the China government. However Ed Snowden showed our hands are not exactly clean either.

In its time Huawei was accused of stealing Cisco code, so I suppose it has some comeuppance, too.

But the company has worked hard gaining technical chops and employing all sorts of Motorola, Ericsson and other engineers in thre US and Europe when those Western companeis were laying off people. It has also been stepping up into leadewrship roles in all sorts of standards groups, too. (Can't say that for secretive giants like Apple.)

What Huawei needs now is a new marketing program, maybe a name/logo change and some high profile public service projects. The engineers are doing just fine, methinks.

Pablo Valerio
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Re: No clean hands
Pablo Valerio   4/11/2014 10:48:55 AM
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@rick, I agree that Huawei has improved a lot its technical capabilities, and have good engineers working for them.

The company actually said last year that was not focusing on the US market anymore, but lnow it ooks like they want to comeback. I spoke with some US telecom executives a few weeks ago during the MWC, and many were talking to Huawei about possible deals.

Many ISPs and telecoms in the US want Huawei back in the game to improve competition but no one wants to be the first to admit using their systems. That is the issue Huawei needs to fix.

junko.yoshida
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Re: No clean hands
junko.yoshida   4/12/2014 8:51:39 AM
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@rick, oh, pleeze, the new marketing campaign? 

I had a pleasure of meeting people at Huawei HQ in Shenzhen. I must say that they do go out of their way to do their marketing job fine.

But none of the marketing measures (including one hour lecture I heard from Huawei's counsel debunking every myth about Huawei) amounts to anything in terms of gaining transparency it badly needs, because a) as Bert mentioned earlier, there is some clarity from the Chiense government; b) Huawei needs to become a public company. 

 

stroydex
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Re: No clean hands
stroydex   4/13/2014 11:58:00 PM
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Their undercutting strategy caused a lot of those layoffs.  Are you blind to a clear case of opportunism?  And setting standards?  Altruistic motives have never been part of that game.  China wants more say at ICANN, and many with good reason consider that suspect.

 

BobsView
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But Can the Equipment be Trusted?
BobsView   4/11/2014 1:52:51 PM
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Bert brings up an excellent point.  If the NSA has found a way to use Huawei equipment to it's advantage, then so can other governments and autonomous groups.

Perhaps Huawei equipment is more vulnerable to hacking than Cisco or other manufacturer's equipment.  I just don't know.

 



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