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GSMD
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Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
GSMD   4/28/2014 6:23:44 AM
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What will convince the market is not just this 1 B investment in inux but rather a formal announcement of EOL for AIX and porting of all the reliability features to Linux. That will provide a fair fight to x86. Actually OpenPower was not really necessary, just commodity availability of Power8 would have been enough. Imagine a 12 core DIY gaming rig with a Power8 with MBs from the usual culprits. ! But this is even better but somebody better come up with low cost Power8 parts. AMD shoudl dump ARM and use Power instead for its alternate server strategy.

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Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
selinz   4/27/2014 10:27:33 PM
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from the "linked" ibm press release

"Recognizing Linux as a driving force for innovation, IBM last year committed $1 billion (USD) in new Linux and other open source technologies for IBM's Power Systems servers. Major"

 

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Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
Kinnar   4/27/2014 3:19:37 PM
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So this time one can watch IBM Power8 Arch. for better success as compared to previous IBM efforts. You are right that is also depends on IBM that how liberal they are going to treat licensing. 

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Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
GSMD   4/26/2014 3:11:23 AM
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RHLinux with KVM is supported on Power8. In fact for RDBMS solutions, Power is the preferred architecture if you do not want Oracle. Licensing costs work out cheaper since per core perf. is higher than x86. Not sure how IVY bridge EP fares. In fact I just advised two major banks on this configuration. And if you go the DB2 route it works out even cheaper.

So Power is far from being dead in various niches in the enterprise market. If we have multiple sources and lower system costs, it has a good shot at x86 since it is better in every respect - faster, better RAS features, better threading  and better virtualization support. A better processor than Intel in every respect that did not make it due to IBM's premium positioning. 

When OpenSPARC came, the foundry eco-system that exists today did not exist. Much easier to do your own processor now. So the situation is different this time. I am not saying that IBM will succeed becuase of this but that the Sparc fiasco cannot be extrapolated to predict IBM's chance of success. ARM has kind of blown in in scaling up for server apps. Lot of system arch pieces are still missing. Will take a few years for them to get there.

IBM's best chance of sucess, zero cost ISA liecense and no nonsense like ARM's deep arch lic. You pay only  if you use IBM's RTL. Nobody would look at ARM in the server market if that happens. 

 

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Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
DouglasMotaDiasDSc   4/25/2014 3:37:35 PM
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IMHO, a very important issue is: will the guys from GNU build compilers for Power8? Or they have already done it and I'm out of date?

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Re: Remember Sun
NathanB   4/25/2014 10:06:00 AM
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The principals at Ross reorganized as Serverworks, a leading chipset supplier for Xeon-based servers back in the early 2000's. Serverworks' market share soared as Intel tried (unsuccessfully) to push Rambus-based chipsets into the server market, while Serverworks had a SDR/DDR/DDR2 road map. Intel realigned its server roadmap to be more in sync with standard DRAM technology, and Serverworks saw its place in the server chipset market fade away. Eventually Serverworks was acquired by Broadcom, and the key Ross principals moved onto other companies. 

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Re: Remember Sun
pica0   4/25/2014 9:59:44 AM
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many thank for your information about Ross Technology.

Ups, here in Germany we say "lesen bildet" which could be translated to "reading educates".

Another Ups, am I growing old? According to your information it is more than 15 years ago Ross vanished from the market.

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Re: Remember Sun
Paul A. Clayton   4/25/2014 9:48:31 AM
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According to Wikipedia (the end of that section, just above the "Legacy" section): "Ross Technology closed down in 1998 and all its assets and patents became the property of Fujitsu Ltd."

pica0
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Re: Remember Sun
pica0   4/25/2014 9:13:49 AM
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Beside SUN now Oracle, Ross and Fujitsu designed Sparc processors. I have not heard anything of Ross for quite I while. But Oracle and Fujitsu still design Sparc processors.


BTW, what hapened to Ross, are they still in the market?

rick merritt
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Remember Sun
rick merritt   4/25/2014 7:19:32 AM
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Years ago Sun Microsystems took the pioneering leap of making its Sparc processor available as open hardware. No one went for it.

I don't think there is a burning design for an open hardware version of IBM's Power either. But I understand IBM would like there to be.

Google may surprise me. I am interested to see what it will do, though I suspect it will be very, very hard to find out.

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