Breaking News
Comments
Oldest First | Newest First | Threaded View
Page 1 / 2   >   >>
Kinnar
User Rank
CEO
Power in the Hands of Developers
Kinnar   4/25/2014 6:47:42 AM
NO RATINGS
This is a very good initiative by IBM, ultimately now it will happen that the designing power will not be solely in the hands of the processor manufacturers, and the details of the hardware as well will be completely available with the software developers. Results depicted in the article are also interesting.

rick merritt
User Rank
Blogger
Remember Sun
rick merritt   4/25/2014 7:19:32 AM
NO RATINGS
Years ago Sun Microsystems took the pioneering leap of making its Sparc processor available as open hardware. No one went for it.

I don't think there is a burning design for an open hardware version of IBM's Power either. But I understand IBM would like there to be.

Google may surprise me. I am interested to see what it will do, though I suspect it will be very, very hard to find out.

pica0
User Rank
Rookie
Re: Remember Sun
pica0   4/25/2014 9:13:49 AM
NO RATINGS
Beside SUN now Oracle, Ross and Fujitsu designed Sparc processors. I have not heard anything of Ross for quite I while. But Oracle and Fujitsu still design Sparc processors.


BTW, what hapened to Ross, are they still in the market?

Paul A. Clayton
User Rank
CEO
Re: Remember Sun
Paul A. Clayton   4/25/2014 9:48:31 AM
NO RATINGS
According to Wikipedia (the end of that section, just above the "Legacy" section): "Ross Technology closed down in 1998 and all its assets and patents became the property of Fujitsu Ltd."

pica0
User Rank
Rookie
Re: Remember Sun
pica0   4/25/2014 9:59:44 AM
NO RATINGS
many thank for your information about Ross Technology.

Ups, here in Germany we say "lesen bildet" which could be translated to "reading educates".

Another Ups, am I growing old? According to your information it is more than 15 years ago Ross vanished from the market.

NathanB
User Rank
Rookie
Re: Remember Sun
NathanB   4/25/2014 10:06:00 AM
NO RATINGS
The principals at Ross reorganized as Serverworks, a leading chipset supplier for Xeon-based servers back in the early 2000's. Serverworks' market share soared as Intel tried (unsuccessfully) to push Rambus-based chipsets into the server market, while Serverworks had a SDR/DDR/DDR2 road map. Intel realigned its server roadmap to be more in sync with standard DRAM technology, and Serverworks saw its place in the server chipset market fade away. Eventually Serverworks was acquired by Broadcom, and the key Ross principals moved onto other companies. 

DouglasMotaDiasDSc
User Rank
Rookie
Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
DouglasMotaDiasDSc   4/25/2014 3:37:35 PM
NO RATINGS
IMHO, a very important issue is: will the guys from GNU build compilers for Power8? Or they have already done it and I'm out of date?

GSMD
User Rank
Manager
Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
GSMD   4/26/2014 3:11:23 AM
NO RATINGS
RHLinux with KVM is supported on Power8. In fact for RDBMS solutions, Power is the preferred architecture if you do not want Oracle. Licensing costs work out cheaper since per core perf. is higher than x86. Not sure how IVY bridge EP fares. In fact I just advised two major banks on this configuration. And if you go the DB2 route it works out even cheaper.

So Power is far from being dead in various niches in the enterprise market. If we have multiple sources and lower system costs, it has a good shot at x86 since it is better in every respect - faster, better RAS features, better threading  and better virtualization support. A better processor than Intel in every respect that did not make it due to IBM's premium positioning. 

When OpenSPARC came, the foundry eco-system that exists today did not exist. Much easier to do your own processor now. So the situation is different this time. I am not saying that IBM will succeed becuase of this but that the Sparc fiasco cannot be extrapolated to predict IBM's chance of success. ARM has kind of blown in in scaling up for server apps. Lot of system arch pieces are still missing. Will take a few years for them to get there.

IBM's best chance of sucess, zero cost ISA liecense and no nonsense like ARM's deep arch lic. You pay only  if you use IBM's RTL. Nobody would look at ARM in the server market if that happens. 

 

Kinnar
User Rank
CEO
Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
Kinnar   4/27/2014 3:19:37 PM
NO RATINGS
So this time one can watch IBM Power8 Arch. for better success as compared to previous IBM efforts. You are right that is also depends on IBM that how liberal they are going to treat licensing. 

selinz
User Rank
CEO
Re: Power in the Hands of Developers
selinz   4/27/2014 10:27:33 PM
NO RATINGS
from the "linked" ibm press release

"Recognizing Linux as a driving force for innovation, IBM last year committed $1 billion (USD) in new Linux and other open source technologies for IBM's Power Systems servers. Major"

 

Page 1 / 2   >   >>


Flash Poll
EE Life
Frankenstein's Fix, Teardowns, Sideshows, Design Contests, Reader Content & More
Max Maxfield

MSGEQ7-Based DIY Audio Spectrum Analyzer: Testing
Max Maxfield
13 comments
In my previous column on this topic, we discussed the step-by-step construction of the first pass at a MSGEQ7-based DIY audio spectrum analyzer for use in my BADASS Display project. Of ...

Karen Field

June 2014 Cartoon Caption Winner
Karen Field
13 comments
Congratulations to "Wnderer" for submitting the winning caption for our June cartoon, after much heated conversation by our judges, given the plethora of great entries.

Jeremy Cook

Inspection Rejection: Why More Is Less in a Vision System
Jeremy Cook
3 comments
Albert Einstein has been quoted as saying, "Everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler." I would never claim to have his level of insight -- or such an awesome head of ...

Jeremy Cook

Machine Fixes That Made Me Go 'DUH!'
Jeremy Cook
21 comments
As you can see in my bio at the end of this article, I work as a manufacturing engineer. One of my favorite things that happens on a Friday late in the afternoon is to hear my phone ring ...

Top Comments of the Week
Like Us on Facebook
EE Times on Twitter
EE Times Twitter Feed

Datasheets.com Parts Search

185 million searchable parts
(please enter a part number or hit search to begin)