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rick merritt
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Look out Applied Micro...
rick merritt   5/6/2014 2:38:12 PM
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...here comes the 4 GHz ARM server SoC

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Re: Look out Applied Micro...
TarraTarra!   5/6/2014 7:07:32 PM
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Should it not be "Look out Intel". The ARM liliputian army just added another soldier

 

What I don't get is how AMD plans to compete with Intel at the high-end using ARM when they failed with x86. A 4GHz ARM version of bulldozer will still be a dog compared to broadwell.

 

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Keller
TarraTarra!   5/6/2014 7:14:24 PM
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Keller had NOTHING to do with Opteron! From what I heard, his first stint and AMD was short-lived. His initial K8 architecture was scrapped and he left for SiByte.

 

Now he is associated with SiByte but the architecture there was quite a ways along by the time he joined, so his influence was limited.

 

Oh, and he is associated with Apple's A5/A6  processor but he did not architect that either as he had separated from the PA-Semi team that designed it.

 

Notice a pattern here?

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Re: Keller
bsassani940   5/6/2014 7:53:31 PM
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@TerraTerra,

"From what I heard"? Can you share your sources?

Thanks

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Re: Look out Applied Micro...
manu9104   5/7/2014 12:30:13 AM
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shouldn't it be look out Applied Micro, Intel and everyone else because you are all beating a dying horse, move over silicon.........POET is here! A disruptive technology at a crucial time.

www.poet-technologies.com

 

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Re: Keller
TarraTarra!   5/7/2014 1:46:09 PM
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@TerraTerra,

"From what I heard"? Can you share your sources?

Well, having been around the processor and CPU industry for decades one keeps track of CPU designs, their architects and so on. The Opteron design was based on K7. Opteron was the 64b version of K7. I believe there were numerous articles on this at that time. Keller did not have anything to do with Opteron.

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Re: Keller
bsassani940   5/7/2014 8:51:16 PM
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Thanks for reply. Actually, I worked in AMD for 7 years (As well as in Intel) and happen to know Jim so I was curious to know about your sources.

The original blueprint was him actually but after his move, many modification was done (Weber). I do not know about other projects.

Best wishes

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Re: Keller
TarraTarra!   5/8/2014 2:18:11 PM
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Not to belabor the point but the original K8 architecture that Keller came up with was completely abandoned. The K6 team with Greg Favor (K6 architect) had also left so Fred, Kevin McGrathe and the Austin team (Scott White and others) made 64b extensions to the K7 design which ended up becoming Opteron.

 

Just making sure that credit is given where due.

 

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What is the strategy here?
TarraTarra!   5/12/2014 12:48:03 PM
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What is AMD' strategy? I am confused on what they are trying to achieve. They will have low performance ARM and x86 and also high performance ARM and x86. ARM and x86 processors will be interchangeable. They will use CPU IP from ARM and also design their own. They will not only compete with Intel but also all other ARM players.

It looks like a "let's try everything and something will work out" strategy.

 

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Re: What is the strategy here?
Paul A. Clayton   5/12/2014 3:29:19 PM
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I receive the impression that the use of ARM processor designs was a time-to-market choice and that later AMD processors, at least for high performance designs, would use internally designed cores.

With respect to the common motherboard strategy, this seems to present AMD as a more attractive choice than other ARM vendors in that inventory issues are reduced (cost and risk). This might allow AMD to reacquire some server share from Intel in x86 and take a significant portion of any ARM server market.

For servers, competing with Intel is nearly inevitable. It seems the only way to avoid that would be to choose a specialized portion of the larger market which Intel does not view as worth pursuing. However, that severely limits revenue, which is significant for the high fixed costs of processor design and manufacture. Even targeting a niche would not prevent competion from companies using ARM.

It seems that AMD is, to some degree, focusing on more specialized markets, which is somewhat appropriate for a smaller, "hungrier" company. AMD cannot be expected to compete head-to-head with Intel given Intel's advantages in revenue, process technology, and vendor relations. With the increasing credibility of ARM as an alternative to Intel, AMD's position as a second source for x86 is weakened, so relying on x86 alone is more dangerous.

AMD's historically inconsistent execution may also encourage more numerous smaller projects rather than a few high-effort projects. Intel's advantages also work better for high effort projects (which tend to be high volume) and Intel is more likely to pursue any market that would justify higher effort.

The above is just speculation based on general concepts and some common knowledge of the field.

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