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Max The Magnificent
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That's not very efficient
Max The Magnificent   5/9/2014 5:04:32 PM
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@David: You say "Maybe Tesla did produce a generator that gave 10KW output for a 1KW excitation input, giving it 90% efficiency electricity wise..."

Hang on, 90% efficient? If you put 10 in and get 1 out, you are 1/10 = 10% efficient, so if you put 1 in and get 10 out, that means you are 10X or 1000% efficient (which is pretty damned efficient, let me tell you -- I R an Engineer and I know these things :-)

Max The Magnificent
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I love this bit
Max The Magnificent   5/9/2014 5:05:56 PM
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Did you see the part in the manual that says (in all caps):

IF YOU ARE TRAINED IN TRADITIONAL PHYSICS, AND HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR MANY YEARS, YOU MUST FIRST DO YOUR RESEARCH ON BASIC QUANTUM ENERGY DEVICES AND HOW THEY WORK

I love it -- "traditional physics" -- LOL

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There are many suckers out there..
antedeluvian   5/9/2014 6:06:46 PM
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According to the link to her GoFundMe URL, she has collected over $21000!

I wonder if the name of the donation engine is supposed to be suggestive or just happenstance and that there are nonfraudulent recipients somewhere on it.

 

I just took a look aound the home page of GoFundMe and it seems to me that the panhandlers got tired of sitting on the street and moved onto the web.

David Ashton
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Re: That's not very efficient
David Ashton   5/9/2014 8:26:08 PM
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Sorry Max. I do bow to your superior knowledge.  I should have clarified, and do so later in the piece, and Tesla acknowledges in his patent, that most of the energy input will come from steam or compressed air.   What I should ahve made clear is that the generator might use 1kW for excitation - ie field coils - from a 10KW output.   Not to be confused with the excitation in the plans, which is a spark gap intended to get non-technical viewers excited I think!

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David Ashton   5/9/2014 8:41:00 PM
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@Max, well I just did some research on Quantum Energy Devices and came to this page

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator

Now Indiegogo ia a bit like kickstarter, you pledge money upfront to get a product as soon as it is available.  But this project rewards you as follows:
  • $ 100 - a Fix The World key chain
  • $ 250 - a Fix The World bumper sticker
  • $ 500 - a Fix The World tote bag
  • $ 1000 - a Fix The World sweatshirt.

I'd really like some of these but I live outside the continental US and they won't ship there.  But no mention of actually getting a QEG.....

Wikipedia, a source I trust a bit more, gives us this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

But this IS heavy physics and way above my head, but seems nothing to do with generators!.  I suspect it would be way above the heads of most of those people in Morocco as well.....

David Ashton
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David Ashton   5/9/2014 8:45:30 PM
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@Antedeluvian.... She must have done well since you looked, as it now says

$27,116 raised by 357 people in 17 months.

(Maybe, like me, you eyes are not as good as they used to be ? :-)

Add the $18,000 on Indiegogo and that's not a bad income.

Wonder how long they can keep this going?

 

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Re: There are many suckers out there..
Bert22306   5/10/2014 5:56:52 PM
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There are many suckers, apparently. One example I'll not forget is a radio interview program I heard, maybe 4 years ago now, about this internal combustion engine called the "iris engine." You can find several articles online, but it's much the same thing as your quantum generator.

Don't you know, it's 70 percent efficient, as opposed to 25 to 30 percent efficient. Why haven't we seen it in vehicles? Because of the petroleum lobby. Why is it so efficient? Here, this is also what the interviewee described in the interview (the two paragraphs below in italics are a direct quote):

http://gigaom.com/2010/01/26/iris-engine-eyes-uber-efficient-gas-engine-tech/

The key element of the IRIS engine design (the brainchild of the IRIS executives' father, Timber Dick, who died in 2008) is a system of valves and vents that allows the combustion chamber to expand in diameter, rather than length. IRIS claims this expanding diameter means 70 percent of the surface area of the engine chamber can "react productively" to combustion, which is to say, by moving.

In a conventional engine, the company claims only about a quarter of the chamber's surface area is productive — the rest is passive.

So the guest on the show concluded that the iris engine would be 70 percent efficient. And horrors of horrors, the interviewer just drank the coolaid. Aaargh!

The obvious question SHOULD have been, "What is the maximum compression ratio you can achieve? Who says that 'working area' has anything to do with efficiency of a heat engine?" In fact, there is nothing in the Carnot cycle, in Boyle's law (P1V1=P2V2), in the gas equation (PV=nRT), all of which would be used to derive the max theoretical efficiency of a heat engine, that hints at "working area" playing a part.

On the other hand, compression ratio is the key. Given that pistons are great at compression, given that conventional ICEs already operate close to or at detonation, it seems unlikely that attempting to improve efficiency of an ICE by fussing with an irrelevant parameter. Not to mention, the iris design seems inherently less effective than pistons, at simple compression.

So, similar to your quantum generator. The obvious questions are never asked, and the hoax is allowed to perpetuate.

David Ashton
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Re: There are many suckers out there..
David Ashton   5/10/2014 8:04:27 PM
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@Bert "So, similar to your quantum generator. The obvious questions are never asked, and the hoax is allowed to perpetuate."

They take care not to get themselves in situations where the obvious questions can be asked, I think.   However I did find this posted in the metabunk forum:
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yesterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...
 QEG??   No, QED!!!


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Re: There are many suckers out there..
Douglas442   5/11/2014 7:57:56 AM
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IRIS?... because of an operational similarity to the iris of a human eye?

Well.. I'll bet you can, at least, say it five times fast without verbally stalling or laughing out loud. Just try that with a Wankel Rotary Engine!

... anyway, you can't blame the guy for trying something different.

But, as for the QEG... oh, no no no no!

It's...... yet another bunch of "Nullpunkt" people ( a future variant of "Steampunk", perhaps? ) invoking Zero-Point-Energy. And all in the name of Nikola Tesla? Please, no!

All ZPE means is that nothing in the whole-wide Universe, not even a vacuum, can ever have absolutely ZERO energy... intuitively, this all sounds very sensible and desirable... and, that this fact is iron-clad guaranteed from those residual quivering droplets of energy, at the bottom of the potential well, that are being produced as a by-product of the Uncertainty Principle. 

( It's too bad that the money in our bank accounts doesn't work according to an equivalent principle. )

... however... what it doesn't mean is that there is, or ever will be, any practical way of getting a handle on all that energy, because it's everywhere.

And... at least we had all better hope that there are no DIY-accessible methods for producing Free-Unlimited-Energy!...... lest the outer crust of our planet should end up very soon joining the mantle and the core in assuming a nice-and-toasty glowing rosy-red color!  

Sorry, Nullpunkers... but no thank you anyway. Utilization of a conveniently situated black-hole remains as my favorite grandiose energy-extraction scheme.



selinz
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Re: There are many suckers out there..
selinz   5/11/2014 12:10:44 PM
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Aren't there laws against bad engineering analysis leading to poorly chosen investments of otherwise well intentioned charitors? For far less than $200K, they could hire a consultant like Mr. Ashton to debunk this! ;-)

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