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Ron Neale
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence an Update
Ron Neale   8/8/2014 5:31:48 AM
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As a result of the AI article above author Larry Kilham was kind enough to provide me with an advance copy of his AI related book and as a summer project I have been working my way through it. In this, his latest very readable and entertaining book, Winter of the Genomes, author Larry Kilham explores and explains almost all aspects of the current state of development of robots and artificial intelligence (AI) and poses some very important questions: Where will humans fit in? Can the human relationship with robots and AI machines ever really proceed beyond one of master and slave or will AI inflict some very different kind of changes in society?  An excellent contribution to our AI debate and a very worthwhile read.
I understand it is due for publication sometime in October 2014.


sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/21/2014 4:00:25 AM
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I respect Joseph Conrad's right to speak metaphorically, and that's another thing computers can't do.

sofianitz
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Re: Machines don't Evolve
sofianitz   5/21/2014 3:32:56 AM
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For sure, the "mechanics" (what a loaded word) of genetic reproduction are not understood, hardly at all.  Consider the remarkable complexity of the fruit fly transcriptome.  People at UC Berkeley found about 100 genes that can encode hundreds or even thousands of different types of proteins, which they do selectively, in a completely unknown way, in response to environmental stress tests they performed on them.  And that's only a fruit fly.

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2014/03/16/gene-expression-map/

Denis.Giri
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Re: Machines don't Evolve
Denis.Giri   5/21/2014 3:02:23 AM
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weird that you've never heard of genetic algorithms...

sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/20/2014 4:54:56 PM
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i now close my comments on this question.  I hope they have opened some thoughts of those working on the problem of 'Machine intelligence".  Truly, one of humanity's "hard" problems and I honor all of you working on it.

Sofianitz

 

sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/20/2014 3:06:02 PM
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That is false.  Everybody has the same undestanding of thinking.  That is, I believe that there are other beings like me out there. This is the first principle of faith, that makes human communication posssibe. But if you don't understand the difference between "thinking" and "what thinking means"?  Gosh, try to crawl out of the mud.

sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/20/2014 2:39:14 PM
 

Airplanes cannot fly.  Sure as hell.  Birds can, though. since the Mesozoic era, 

Get into an airplane and yell, fly! fly!

sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/20/2014 2:35:10 PM
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Oh God, that's rediculous.  We communicate with programs written by humans (computers can't communicate, what an absurd idea). We communicate with algorithims that supply us with character strings that we can recognize, often provided reasonably directly to us by other humans, but ultimately always provided by humans, even if indirectly.  Truly, who else can possily provide us with these symbols from which we generate meaning?  And, if they  were not intentional human communications, how would we possibly recognize them?

Are you awake?

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sofianitz
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
sofianitz   5/20/2014 2:10:59 PM
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I like the Turing Test, too. Alan Turing, hell of a smart guy.  One of the greatest minds, on the level of Frank Ramsey. But, Turing was wrong, and Ramsey was right.

Following Ramsey the statement "Saint Paul's Cathedral has a semantic content."

Is the same as saying "Saint Paul's Cathedral."

betajet
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Re: Artificial & Machine Intelligence
betajet   5/20/2014 1:35:08 PM
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I understand Dijkstra's comment to mean that it's pointless to argue about whether computers can think because everybody has a different understanding of what thinking means.  If one argues that a submarine cannot swim, then one would have to argue that an airplane cannot fly.  Birds fly, and so do airplanes.  Fish swim, but for some reason submarines don't?  It's just a question of what semantics you want to assign to the words, and is about as useful as wondering why the plural of mouse is mice, yet the plural of house is houses.

Personally, I like the Turing test.  Every day people communicate with other entities on the Internet, and have no way of knowing whether the entity on the other end is another human, an intelligent computer, someone from another planet, or a dog :-)

Update: Besides, one can speak of a vessel as swimming, as in my father's favorite line from Joseph Conrad's Narcissus, which refers to a disabled ship at sea: "As long as she swims I will cook!"

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