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Colin Walls
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what is that?
Colin Walls   5/23/2014 4:50:41 PM
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Hi Max

First off, diagnosing vacuum tube [sorry "valve"!] falures is not too hard. It is the filament that gives out. If it doesn't glow and get hot, it's dead.  Unfortunately, some designed wire all the filaments in series, so, when one dies, they all appear dead. So you ned to pull each  one and check its filament.  A bit like Christmas tree lights ..

Is that an ASR33 Teletype outside your office? If so, why??

 

BR c

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zeeglen   5/23/2014 5:23:30 PM
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@Max:  You would be wise to replace all the paper and electrolytic capacitors BEFORE applying power.  You don't want to fry a hard-to-obtain vacuum tube.  And there is a lot more that goes wrong with tubes than just their heaters/filaments. 

That Grundig radio probably has a power transformer so the heaters will be in parallel, unlike the series connected heaters in the "All American 5".

There is a Yahoo group called "Fun with tubes" that have a lot of good information on restoring antique radios and designing guitar amplifiers.

When I was a little kid my parents had a Grundig radio that looked very similar.

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perl_geek   5/23/2014 7:12:32 PM
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I think you'll find that the radio dates from the mid 1950s, not the early 1940s.

Apart from the aesthetics, the firm's history http://www.grundig.de/en/company/about-grundig/grundig-history/years-1945-1954/ indicates it was strictly a post-war manufacturer.

If you're going to fix it, you might want to RTFM; http://www.grundig.owner-manuals.com/5088-service-manual-GRUNDIG.html  (I assume the site is kosher, but caveat emptor).

Other people have also repaired them, and the comments suggest it's worth doing: http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/grundig_konzertgeraet_5088_1.html 

 

 

 

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Tube radios
Duane Benson   5/23/2014 7:41:24 PM
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I still have two tube radios. I've got a Hallicrafters S-38, 1940's (I think) vintage short wave radio. I haven't turned it on in a few years, but it worked just fine the last time I did.

I've also got a 1929 Atwater Kent TRF (tuned radio frequency) radio. Unfortunately, I don't have the cabinet. Just the radio. I haven't turned it on since about 1984, but it did work then. The sound wasn't so great after my rather lousy job of re-coning the speaker. I'm a little afraid to turn it on now, because of the old capacitors.

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Re: what is that?
Proclivis   5/26/2014 11:49:14 AM
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I love my old Magnavox. Tubes have such a nice sound when playing an old Chuck Mangioni album. However, I must admit that I rigged it so that I can feed in Air Play from my Mac via my wireless network. The kids really get a kick out of playing Jazz from their iPhone on an old Tube amp. My daugher in music school is hooked on the sound.

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Re: Caps
vandamme0   5/26/2014 11:58:23 AM
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If you feel brave, you can put it on a variable autotransformer and slowly crank it up. Once the rectifier tube lights up enough to work (maybe 25%) you might be able to reform the caps by letting it cook for a few hours, gradually upping the voltage. No guarantee.

If you don't have an autotransformer, try putting an incandescent light bulb in series with it. Try a 25 watt to start.

Your caps might work fine, might blow up, or (most probably) just won't filter well and it will hum badly. Time to get out the scope (check the voltage rating on the probe!) and see what caps have a lot of ripple on them. Also check casthode bypass caps. They can short, or have high ripple.

If you give up, don't throw out the case. Put an mp3 player or internet radio in it.

mlise
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No Problem
mlise   5/26/2014 1:10:14 PM
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Tube circuits are pretty easy to fix, even for a digital guy. Replace all the caps. Replace all the tubes.

Most of the coupling and filter caps can be replaced with 630 volt film caps. There's probably a chassis mounted single or multi-section electrolytic. Leave it in place, so you don't have an ugly hole. Just disconnect the positive end and use a modern cap underneath the chassis; it will be a lot smaller. Change the mica caps too, but leave the ceramics alone. If the radio pops through the speaker, it's moisture being driven from the ceramics and will go away.

NOS (new old stock) radio tubes are totally available, either from online tube stores or on e-bay, and cheap. As TV repair men pass away, their grand kids sell the garage full of tubes to a broker who is looking for the few specific make/model valuable audio tubes. The rest are TV and radio tubes or audio tubes with an unimpressive pedigree that are pretty much worthless. A lot of DIY guys are designing amplifiers with TV sweep tubes because they sound great and are cheap. Audio tubes are still in current production and are pretty cheap.

Generally you can do the fix without a schematic, but it's likely to be glued to the inside of the back. If there's no power transformer you have a 'Hot' chassis. You get a 50% chance of the chassis being at AC line. When a little kid pulls the knobs off, the metal shafts will be at AC line too, so replace the power cord with something polarized like an IEC-320 connector. Leave the ground disconnected, but you can at least get AC neutral on the chassis, assuming the building is wired properly.

 

zeeglen
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Re: Caps
zeeglen   5/26/2014 4:13:30 PM
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you might be able to reform the caps by letting it cook for a few hours

NO! 

This might work for electrolytic caps, but an interstage paper coupling cap that has absorbed moisture will leak and drive a following stage control grid positive, resulting in excessive current and possible damage.


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Re: Caps
Douglas442   5/26/2014 11:52:30 PM
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Max said: "...a vacuum tube radio from the early 1940s. Amazingly enough, I have the perfect spot for it. The photo below shows the bay outside my office. The comfy chair and ottoman in the foreground allow one to take a few minutes' break now and then."



No! Not the Comfy Chair!

 

...anyway, as the proud owner of a whole pile of vintage hp and tektronix equipment, I can only echo the cautionary sentiments of the previous posters.

 

You don't want to take the chance of losing this opportunity. Think of all that you'll be missing, should it become permanently inoperable!... as the store-owner from this classic Charles Rodrigues cartoon ( from the "Over & Out" series in the long-defunct "Electronics Illustrated" magazine, this one from January 1970! ) may have been trying to suggest:

Vintage Radio Cartoon by Charles Rodrigues

Max The Magnificent
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Re: what is that?
Max The Magnificent   5/27/2014 9:06:36 AM
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@Colin: If it doesn't glow and get hot, it's dead.

That was always my first-pass way of diagnosing a fault :-)

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