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Protoyping low cost rift using yei module

Closing out... see you next time.

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Then start here: http://printrbot.com/

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I need to start cheaper to get over the learning curve..Cool thanks, Cabe

 

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Cool! Goodluck with your UAV. Message me when you have something. I can write about what you made: find me here https://twitter.com/CABE_Atwell

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I looked at that titan it is awsome. I am gonna send a donation to help... then perhaps try to buy one next spring.

 

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Based only on quality of parts. Price is up there though. But, if you are making uav parts, wingsm etc, this might be the way to go.

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Specer.. I'd go with this one https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kudo3d/titan-1-fastest-tallest-print-high-res-sla-3d-prin

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thank  you all. U guys are giving me some really good insight on 3d printers. I am a disabled vet and my budget is 1400 USD for a kit. I want to make some uav parts. prototype a couple vertical windmill designs. play around with my electronics and cars. So, as a starting point where do I get the best bang for the busk? ...Makerbot??? Reprap?? something else??

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Benson... fun tiny robot.. Make it look cute, you'll win the show.

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Thanks Garcia, Benson, Max.. it has been fun!

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I need to go as well. Bye.

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OK -- I'm going to have to go also -- thanks for hosting this chat Cabe -- more later -- Max

Bye Javi -- Have a great weekend

@Cabe: Did you see my blog on Robot Avatars abailable today?

Cabe - Here's the smallest version (also 3D printed) click here

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@cabe: Are you all going to stay in the chat?

Is that a challenge? LOL

Please to meet you Cabe -- I met Max and Duane in person at EELive ;-)

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I see... very cool. Send that avatar to your day job in your place. Live the dream

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Ohhhh.... my wife and daughter has just arrived, so I'm not going to be online for a long time now ;-)

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Cabe - I'm trying to make the Avatar modular so I'll be able to have a mini version of it that will be more transportable.

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@Max: You'll need a cargo van for bringing your prognostication engine to the fair

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Are you all going to stay in the chat? 

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Max - I bet it would

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Benson-- cool. Everything I make is big and heavy. no maker faire for me.

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I might be here, or it could be my A/I simulation of myself.

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@Duane: Next year, I'll have to go to one of the "Brinag a hack" dinners after the show.

Think my Inamorata Prognostication Engine would go down well?

Still here?? You laters LOL

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@Cabe: Anybody left?

I'm still here :-)

Cabe - Unfortunately, I didn't have the party address. :-)  There were half a dozen people I wanted to see, and didn't manage to catch up with any of them. Next year, I'll have to go to one of the "Brinag a hack" dinners after the show.

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I'm definately going to attend Maker Faire next year!!!

Patrick Mannion emailed me 2 days before Maker Faire saying "Do you want to fly out to SF to attend" ... but it was too late, I already had plans for the weekend (mutter mutter groan groan)

Smiley-- No problem. Good luck with g-code!

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Benson.. it's like a party there. everyone knows each other. 

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Thanks for all the info Cabe, I appreciate it. See you guys next time.

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@Cabe: Maker faire is your place! You'll be a big star.

And I'll be there to polish his nuts (hmm, that didn't come out quite the way I intended)

Cabe - I went to Maker Faire this year for the first time. Overwhelming and quite incredible.

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Yikes... Maker faire is your place! You'll be a big star.

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Cabe - I'm attempting a robat avatar.

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Smiley- B9Creator is also neat. Plus the Titan 1 is still on kickstarter. Seems like a good choice. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kudo3d/titan-1-fastest-tallest-print-high-res-sla-3d-prin

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I've used TinkerCAD for mechanical design and i.Materialize for the 3D printing. I've been pleasently surprised at the price and quality of product.

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MAX and Benson... what are you making?

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@cabe: Like Form One, a resin printer.

I really would like a resin printer

What's the budget, smiley?

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@Duane: It might be realistic to have something partially working at next year's EELive.

I CANNOT WAIT!!!

Smiley- to be honest, makerbots get the "crude" job done. If you have the money, I would look into something with a tighter resolution. Like Form One, a resin printer. 

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I think most engineers can get crusty if managment has the screws twisted too tight, and they can't go home and shower between consecutive all-nighters in the lab

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@Cabe- I was thinking on getting a Replicator2 for prototyping some parts. Do you think that's a good printer for the money?

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@Cabe : just Crusty there could never be another Crusty at the same time

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Thanks for all the free tool tips! I'll put together another group of tools based on our conversation here. sans pirates and such.

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Bye all!! I hope to see you on next chat ;-)

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Max - Actually, I'm seeing some light a bit closer to the end of the tunnel. It might be realistic to have something partially working at next year's EELive.

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Bye Garcia, crusty1

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Smiley// If you are going the 3D printing route, I meant to say.

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Bye Aubrey!!! Have a nice weekend!

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By all grate hanging out with you all

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Max - "So when can I expect to see my robot avatar greet me at the door?"

In the year 2525.

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By all- meetings beckon (groan).

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Smiley-- if you are prototyping at your desk. Consider the shapeoko from Inventables, it is a 2.5D CNC router. Paired with the Easel.com online CAD interface... it is pretty useful.

Any if 3D printing, makerbots are still cheap. Maybe prntrbot. 

If more in the machining center, mill, lathe, etc.. go with mach3 or LinuxCNC as support for any machine, if it doesnt come with software already.

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@Duane: I've also finally gotten a mounting plate for the motors and have started to learn how to use the IMU that I'll need to make it balance.

So when can I expect to see my robot avatar greet me at the door?

@sheepdoll: I have a pipe organ I need to connect a dragon to...

If I had a coconut for everytime I've heard that old excuse

Max - I've also finally gotten a mounting plate for the motors and have started to learn how to use the IMU that I'll need to make it balance.

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@Duane: And it actually fit and worked the first time!

Happy Dance!

@Cabe: if the makerbot hardware is open-source and the software is released under a free license, I believe you can consider it totally "Free" -- but I'm not sure if this is the case here

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Max - And it actually fit and worked the first time!

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By doc -- have a GREAT weekend

Well folks:  I am running late,   I have a pipe organ I need to connect a dragon to and debug the sostenuto pedal.

Will keep a weather eye out for R! and remember that not all 'pirates' and 'hakers' are what they seem to be. 

 

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@Duane: I'm not sure I linked to the axel hub picture in my last post. [Click here]

The problem is that the links don;t sshow up as being active for some reason -- so I make mine bold and use undeline to make them stand out e.g. Click here


FYI thsi looks really nice!!!

Crusty, Sheepdoll - I might need a dragon then. I've inadvertantly locked a few Atmega32U4 chips. They're in surface mount packages, so I'd have to be creative, but I hate to waste the chips if I can bring them back to life. Especially since they're in the QFP package which has become pretty much unavailable.

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I also must get to a meeting.


Thanks all for the good info.

Dick Henry

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Many companies like Makerbot and Inventables offer free useful design software. But, only works with their hardware. They push it as free and open source. Is that really free?

 

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Thanks All... gotta sign off.

MP Divakar

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I'm not sure I linked to the axel hub picture in my last post. [Click here]

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Max - I designed (speaking of free tools, I used TnkerCAD) and 3D printed the axel hub adapter so I can now connect up the wheels to the motor. I'm making progress, just slow progress.

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Max, there is a child down in the Metro area who was injured in an assult, who is using a donated Robot Avatar to attend high school classes while they are recovering -- it looked really cool, and will do two way video and audio, and is good for a school day worth of work

 

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Want to stay out of github... versioning software list! Even says which are free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software

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@shepdoll : Early Dragons were sensitive beasts.

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Sheepdoll - http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/

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@Duane : Dragon is great for unloking chips where only high voltage parallel programming will work, it also handles PDI for XMexa

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@Duane/@Crusty: I have 5 live dragons.  2 which I keep at clients sites.

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@Duane: Someone from a electronics hobbyist magazine in the UK emailed me this morning to ask how your Robot Avatar was coming along...

Thanks for the suggestion. I do actually use Linux so the platform will be a boon for my projects.

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I was at Perforce yesterday at the #GirlGeekDinner.  The problem I have with Git is that the pipe organ I am coding for is offline.  No wireless in the hall.  So I have to use USB sticks for version control.  On the drive back, I was thinking that there needs to be some sort of CVS system that can sync thumb drives with the CVS server.  Bit beyond me as I am only a lowly EET.

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Crusty - that first project was a surface mount adaptation of Jeff Keyzer's Geiger counter, with an ATTIY2313. The home built programmer worked fin for it. I've since used an Arduino as programmer and purchased an actual Atmel programmer.

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Smiley---  True. $120 is not free.... Try LinuxCNC, aka EMC2, is a full featured CAM package. But, as you can gather, for Linux only. It will do unlimited size programs..

This is for traditional machining.

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@MS243 : I will take a look at that. I'm looking for something light weight for home/side projects. At the day job we have have a committee arguing for a year trying to settle on a single one for a number of large projects with distributed teams...

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$120 isn't exactly 'free' Cabe.

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@Duane : if you are going to programme Atmel on a low cost budget use Atmel Dragon it works every time for me as i make my own chip identity modules for it.

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@Garcia: I have not made my script public.  I still have some work on transfering filled zones.  There is also the question is  that expressPCB encrypted their files.  Although the encryption was broken a few years back (Copper connection, the java schematic viewer Jschema etc.)   I like expressPCB and thier service for one off boards. 

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There are good FPGA verfication methods for VHDL(tool vendor independant) Verilog, and System Verilog -- It really depends on the type of V&V and Type of Design one is doing -- 

For Commercial Designs, Constrained Random, Bus Functional Models are possible with all of these.   There are open source, free but not open source, and paid tools for all these languages and methods

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I'm not sure I can tighten it up anymore than I am, is there another full featured alternative to mach3?

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Sheepdoll - The first time I used an Atmel processor, I had to go dig up old parts and build and XP machine and load the software there. I had build a parallel port programmer and my Windows 7 computer doesn't have one.

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License for mach3 is $120. Not the end of the world, smiley.

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@sheepdoll : I agree 4.19 is a great Atmel product

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Has anyone had any problems with free tools? I was looking for an audio frequency generator recently -- I found a free one online -- software that runs on your PC and generates a tone on the headphone socket ... downloadable from all the usual repositories -- but I checked them up on Google and found a lot of people complaining that installing thsi software also installed a lot of hidden advertizing engines/modules on your system...

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Smiley... Mach3 with 500 lines of G-code is more than enough... if you use elegant coding practices. For example: I used to write code that was 50 lines to do a a single drill routine. Then I found that that same 50 lines could be done with a single line. Tighten it up. (Mach3 is for windows only, btw)

 

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@Duane: I still use Studio 4.19 on XP.  Will be using it in an hour.  Studio 7 is too bloated.

For arm I am considering going to Eclipse and the gcc tools which run on 'Nix oses like the macs I use.  I like Kiel tools, and have an 8051 licence from a decades old project.  

I think these tool companies need to change thier model, instead of big Goverment $$$ contracts, they need to sell tools at a reasonable and fair price.

 

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@Cabe- I want to start prototyping at my desk, in your post you mention mach3.. it only does 500 lines of code. Is that even useful?

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Depends -- I think GIT is better for a large distributed team, it is a bit bloated, for a few developers in one office at a small company -- SVN/Tortise tends to be a bit simpler for a small team.

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@all : what is the best free software for writing testbeds for FPGA HDL?

 

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@sheepdoll: Is your script online? It seems very interesting. One of the main issues I pointed to CERN guys about KiCAD becoming a mainstream tool is the need for a bunch of tools for migrating designs from other tools.

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@CabeAtwell: Yes, I have been looking at Git. Just wondering if there are others people like. Thanks

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GNU compilers have been used in one of only two airliners with more than one million fatality free flight hours -- the output is certified vs the high and low level requirements by the equipment design team.  Depending on Design Assurance Level a tool qualification is done by the design team.  They also are used with VXWORKS -- flying on many systems on the 787

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AD - Re: PSoC Creator. I've got one of their boards, but had a driver problem and was never able to get it to connect up with my PC. I was passed back and forth between Schmartboard and Cypress, but moved on to other projects when I couldn't get an answer.

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Jave (Garcia) just fount that free physics package I was talking about http://physion.net/

Thsi is BRILLIANT -- I totally recommend it as a way to loose an hour ... day ... week...

GARYSXT---- github

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Can anyone srecommend free revision control software?

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@Duane: Eclipse is cool, but it's very heavy -- it relies on Java VM. ABout KiCAD... you should take a test ride!!

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@Garcia : I will look for your blog.  I wrote a script in postscript (run in Ghostscript) which moves data between expressPCB and KiCad.  In fact Duane's company stuffed some boards made that way.

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Hi Duane:  I lked the older Studio tools as they were not so bloted. Studio 6 with a fast internet connection and fast computer is very good and even supports Arduino

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Even Spectraquest, and Hyperlynx, and IBIS start to fall appart above 1GHZ -- Microwave Office, or some of the Microwave Tools like ADS from Agilent can prove handy

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Duane

I also use Microchip MPlabX, which is free and Xilinx ISE, also free. Do free tools from the component vendor count?

I use PSoC Creator which is outstanding. (See my blog next month)

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@kfield: Wrong!

Well, it says: "Embrace your inner pirate this Father's Day Weekend and set sail for the biggest playground for all things pirate! [...] Discover winding lanes of pirate encampments, nautically inspired handcrafts, gourmet foods, hearty ales, swimming mermaids..."

That certainly sounds like everyone dressing up as a pirate and having a party to me :-)

Are we supposed to be talking hardware tools? I've used the free version of Eagle, although, I did purchase a licence before Max and my Kickstarter. I haven't tried KiCad.

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When it comes to meeting standards, how have free tool stood up against the rules? I was required, by design law of the company, to use certain paid tools so they can get certified later. Same for everyone else?

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Free doesn't necessarily mean good. Pirates on the other hand, always take the good stuff for free.

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There's also the loved and hated Eclipse IDE.

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Crusty - I've used the Atmel tools too, but not as much as the Microchip tools.

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Controlfreak - You might be asking too much out of a free tool.

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no Apple or Win8, Max... icircuit will have to wait.

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I have used some of the online calculators, but engineers have told me that some of the results are questionable. I have used Speedstack from Polar, but I don't believe they offer any free "starter" version. I guess I needed to qualify my query and ask if anyone knows of an ACCURATE free impedemnce calculator. :>)

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@control - the best ones I've seen are with SpectraQuest, and Hyperlynx (Cadence and Mentor respectively)  for board stacks and impedance -- both are pricey and one can get by with the web and excel and one of Dr.. Howard Johnson's Books -- given enough time in the schedule, and captial constraints for tools

 

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http://www.norcalpiratefestival.com/

A few years back we were fo a few months the largest gathering of pirates in the world.  Actually this show is a lot like maker faire. Same steampunks, different costumes.  Most modern 'pirates' make their own swag these days.

Both Maker faire and Pirate festival have their roots in the old Renaissance faire that was held in Marin.  Burning man also came out of this so there is a lot of cross polination going on at these events.

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@Duane: without Studio 6 and all it's predecesors I would not be on this web site

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It's not free, but has anyone tried iCircuit?

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Benson.. yes! Like all of Microchip and TI design tools. Absolutely priceless.

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@sheepdoll: You may be interested in checking the blog I wrote about CERN contribution to KiCAD. The hardware fraternity at CERN believes that KiCad can do to PCB design what the GCC compiler did to software

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@Max the magnificent: A big party where everyone dresses up as pirates

 Wrong!  According to www.norcalpiratefestival.com/ , it is: Equal parts Mardi Gras, state fair, living history and pirate fan fest

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@ControlFreak- Check this site out for free calculator tools: http://www.calculatoredge.com/

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I also use Microchip MPlabX, which is free and Xilinx ISE, also free. Do free tools from the component vendor count?

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http://emclab.mst.edu/pcbtlc2/

http://www.fedevel.com/welldoneblog/2011/08/pcb-impedance-calculator-single-ended-differential-pair/

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Actually it was James Cook.

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@controlfreak, other than the milliononline impedance calculator pages?  agreed, that would be nice.

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@controlfreak: there used to be AppCAD from Agilent but I remember it only did the standard transmission lines.

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http://www.fedevel.com/welldoneblog/2011/08/pcb-impedance-calculator-single-ended-differential-pair/

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@control -- there is a reasonable website at Missouri S&T's website for impedance with boards

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@sheepdoll: It seems that we are in the same side of the free software war. LOL

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The dread pirate Jimmy??

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Does anyone have a recommendation for a good free impedence calculator for pc board stackups?

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@kfield- his name was Jimmy.

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@kfield: What's a pirate fest??

A big party where everyone dresses up as pirates

@Cabe: One makes money the old fasioned way. Provide better service than the competition.  When I learned to program 38 years ago in grade school.  the sofware was free.  Computers were expensive. then personal computers came a long and we have never finished this argument.  I personally think that if it is not physical then how can it ave value?

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@Cabe: "if all the code was free, how would anyone make money?"

By providing support, service and customization -- this is the mainstream approach with Linux related products. But of course, there are a lot of bussiness approaches -- I worked for a company which sold IP for embedded products, so I'm aware of this too ;-)

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@Sheepdoll: Actualy I am a pirate at the Northern California Pirate fest (coming up in 2 weeks.)

What's a pirate fest??

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Docdivakar - I also use Dropbox too, though not as much as I did before Google Docs.

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sheepdoll et al

Actualy I am a pirate at the Northern California Pirate fest (coming up in 2 weeks.)

Pirate question: What was Captain Hook's name before he lost his hand? Sorry for the diversion!

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Max - There are definately some downsides to Google Docs, but the equal access and colaboration are pretty powerful. Google docs still has limited compatibility with MS Office products. Another downside is that the Google metaphor is to share a document via email, rather than attach and send it. Sometimes sharing is very nice, but other times, I just want to attach the stupid document and send it over to someone.

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@Max the magnificent: I never seem to have had much luck with Google Doc.

I'm with you, but maybe I just need to use it more.

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@Sheepdoll: any more details on the pirate fest? Link?

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Garcia... if all the code was free, how would anyone make money? 

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Actualy I am a pirate at the Northern California Pirate fest (coming up in 2 weeks.)

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@Duane Benson I use both DropBox and Google Drive... the former is much simpler to use since it is a stand-alone product.

MP Divakar

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@Cabe: I'm among those that considers that "Free" should be considered as freedom, including code openness. Of course, I never reject a free beer ;-)

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SolidWorks has a pretty impressive set of tools for free, including DraftSight and eDrawings Viewer, which lets you share designs over multiple CAD platforms.

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The two best aspects of Google Docs are: multiple people can have the same document open at the same time and any changes get immediately propogated to all of the other instances. Second, I can have equal acces to the same document on my work laptop, home PC, Chromebook, tablet or phone - without having to take any action to make it available.

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@Duane: Here at Screaming Circuits, we're moving to Google Docs too.

I never seem to have had much luck with Google Docs -- I'm just an old-fashioned boy at heart...

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Ant... yes piracy.. but, we are all legit here, right?  

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Cabe

If you could get the paid ones for free, would you just stick with those?

The fact that there is still software piracy answers that, I think.

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Controlfreak - Here at Screaming Circuits, we're moving to Google Docs too. There are some pretty annoying aspects, but some ver cool as well.

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@antedeluvian: I'm glad to "see" you again, Aubrey ;-) LibreOffice Excel alternative is called Calc. It's very similar to Excel, but I'm not sure if all the macro stuff is compatible.

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-Have had to use LibreOffice at a start-up where the Office SW was pirate copies - did not want to get busted -- The spreadsheet is not quite as capable as excel, but one can export import into R, and Octave as CSV, and do the heavy crunching -

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@sheepdoll: @Karen: Can R! invert a multi dimentiona matrix? I want to do a least squares fit on some data. I don't know -- still learning!

 

 

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Free tools vs their paid alternative. If you could get the paid ones for free, would you just stick with those?

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@Max: Are you maybe looking for Physion?? http://physion.net/

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Javi

Hi- good to "speak" once again.

I always use Libreoffice, and this is a real alternative to the Microsoft Office suite

How good are the tools within the spreadsheet module?

 

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Here at Mentor we are seing a shift from MS Office to using Google Docs and putting a lot of stuff out on a Google Drive. I was reluctant at first to give up my familiar MS tools, but after a couple of months, the Google Docs apps are being used about 50% of the time. Who would have guessed?

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@Sheep There is likely an R package to do that, if not look at Octave(Like Matlab)

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@Karen: Can R! invert a multi dimentiona matrix? I want to do a least squares fit on some data.

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@antedeluvian: I always use Libreoffice, and this is a real alternative to the Microsoft Office suite

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I recall a free tool that allowed you to model physical systems -- like putting rocks in the air and setting up a see-saw balance beam and suchlink, then pressing "go" and simulating what woudl happen -- I know this isn't an ee-related tool, but I wish I could find it again.

Free tools are often the only way a project gets done -- You work a Government program at a contractor -- 10Million is approved for the project, then 7.5Million will go to the politicians who sponsored it's campaigns, for scholarships at 50K/yr for their children, nephews, nieces, and other relatives for 8 years at a small expensive private college, for staffers, etc.  This will leave 2.5Million to design and produce 10 million worth of product.  Invariable the manager is a Mechanical engineer, so the ME's get the very best CAD packages and analysis tools for ME, leaving the EE's and Techs to see what they can scrounge for free.  Have had to use Free and Open Source Tools for Math analysis like Sage, statistics, like R, MatLAB -- like Octave, Board Layout like FreePCB, Free FPGA vendor tools, Free Spice Simulators like TINA or LTSPICE, Free Compilers like GNU/GDB, --- The same is true at large corporations and start-ups

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R Project is so simple... no need for a flashy interface or website!

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I have done a series on the use of Excel on Planet Analog.  I freuquently get asked about the free Office type apps, like word porocessors and spreadsheets. Anybody have any experience?

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@Kfield: right now I am in the learning mode of R!

MP Divakar

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@Cabe: So, what's the #1 free tool I need to look at?

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It depends on what you want to do. Draftsight is one... Anything in the manufacturing world is gaining in speed. With 3D printers everywhere, it just makes sense. HArdware is free... makerbot supplies a way to make everything.

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@kfield: I've heard a lot about R language. There is a very heated debate online about R or Python being the most efficient language for statistical calculation.

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@controlfreak: Hi Dick -- happy friday!!!

@Max, my #1 free tool is Ghostscript.  I write everything in postscript.  Can move data between expressPCB and KiCad.  View 40 year old pictures of mars, and read the binary pipe organ definition files for the system I am upgrading.  It even manages MIDI too.

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@MP Divakar i'm just learning R - do you use it?

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@Kfield: there is an ocean of users for R! There are startups that base their tools around R. Google for example encourages it for internal projects.

MP Divakar

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@CabeAtwell: "Whatever fits the task at hand"

A very smart policy -- I use Linux, but this is because the most of the projects I'm working in rely into Linux as the core O.S.

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Hi Max and everyone. Dick Henry late to the party again.

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Is anyone using R?http://www.r-project.org   It's an open source system for statistical computation and graphics.

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I use Ashlar products for my main solid modeling  CAD.  I is $$$$. I have yet to find a tool that works as well.  Tried things like Art of illusion and wings which are popular in the 3D printing world.

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DraftSight is great for basic 2D sketching and one can do a lot with it for interacting with PCB-layout tools.

MP Divakar

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@Cabe: So, what's the #1 free tool I need to look at?

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Garcia... Whatever fits the task at hand... Mainly Windows though. More software, less tinkering with the core system. 

I don't want a project, while working on a project. Linux takes some matainance.

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@kfield: thank you for this link. I'll take a look as soon as the chat ends

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@Garcia-Lasheras As far as I know, Omnigraphskecher is only for Mac, but you can look for alternatives here: http://alternativeto.net/software/omnigraphsketcher/

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@CabeAtwell: Zero apple products? are you a Widows or a Linux guy??? ;-)

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 "Draftsight cut out Autodesks floor... it's base product. Glad more are using it. I think work software costs too much. Thousands $ for a license? No thanks...

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cabe

For those who use the free tools I mentioned.. how does that work out at the work place?

We use Draftsight for our simple mechanical design. We only have one copy of solidworks and so all us others use draftsight. It is almost identical to earlier versions of Autocad and since all our documentation gets reduced to pdf files it is fine for our final product engineering

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@kfield: This is the first time I heard about Omnigraphsketcher, but it looks really nice... is this only available for Apple products?

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Hi Sheepdoll!

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@kfield: Has anyone used Omnigraphsketcher?

I can't even spell Omnigraphsketcher -- what does it do?

@Max --- good blog -- I live in a small town about an hour out of a major metro area -- working in the metro area and living in this small town are like night and day.    The single largest provider for people in the area is the government -- There are many senior citizens on fixed incomes, as well as a large population of disabled people(many vehicle accident victims left in power scooters, or electric wheel chairs finding there way down narrow streets with crumbling sidewalks (My elderly mother even ran over one in her car, and got her license revoked) -- The printed newspaper is still thriving, many still depend on a land-line phone, and few have money for gadgets or much electronics beyond a phone and tv.

 

Manager

@Max: Your blurb on "Wake Up & Smell The Bagels..." rings to so true to me personally! I grew up to adulthood with no TV or refrigerator in my house back in India! We read a lot those days and always had freshly-cooked food!

MP Divakar

Manager

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I have zero Apple products... Omnigraphsketcher is only for their products?

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Rookie

open source, too

Blogger

It's a beautiful tool for Mac users that allows you to create free form graph sketches and create links between objects so you get something of what you get with parametic

Blogger

@Sheepdoll : that link looks to be useful

CEO

@Rich_Smiley: I'm still rockin AutoCAD Release 12 in all of it's 12 floppy disk greatness.

I remember at Intergraph some or our applications were delivered on 70 floppy disks in the early 1990s -- I also remember the debate as to whether or not we shoudl add a CR Reader into the workstations we were building and selling

@CabeAtwell: they certainly make the grade for home use

CEO

Has anyone used Omnigraphsketcher?

Blogger

Hi Antedeluvian (Aubrey)

@Sheepdoll: KiCAD is totally free -- free as freedom, of course (GPL licensed)

Blogger

@sheepdoll: Not sure if there is really a free PCB tool as one has to get the board made somehow.

I've been looking at that http://www.123dapp.com/circuits tool/site -- you can use a virtual breadboard and/or schematic to capture your design for an Arduino shield -- then use the real-time mixed-signal simulator to check how th ehardware works with your sketch -- then move into their PCB layout package to lay out the board -- all for free -- but as you say, you then have to pay to get the board built...

Hello...

Thanks for reading my post: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1322140

For those who use the free tools I mentioned.. how does that work out at the work place? Is it SOP? And can free tools be acceptable for final product engineering?

Rookie

I'm still rockin AutoCAD Release 12 in all of it's 12 floppy disk greatness.

 

Rookie

Good evening from Spain ;-)

Blogger

@Sheepdoll : and then you have to solder the surface mount now, which is why I am going to a home made reflow oven

CEO

I use EpressPCB a lot, and now KiCad.  Not sure if there is really a free PCB tool as one has to get the board made somehow.

Blogger

Vitual machine... or xp mode would work to use Tiny CAD

Rookie

Max Tiny Cad is great, but has a problem with Windows 8, The guy who runs it is recovering from an ilness but there are ways to get around the present problem.

 

CEO

FYI I just posted a blog Wake Up & Smell the Bagles -- I hope I don't come over as being too "Holier than Thou"

I was at the Perforce Girl Geek dinner last night. 

Blogger

Hi Sheepdoll -- how are things in your neck of the woods?

Hi Sheepdoll: Crusty

CEO

So Cabe -- there's an old saying that you get what you pay for -- how good are Free Tools really?

Are we there yet?

Blogger

@Crusty: Will see if Mrs Crusty will let me eat and chat at the same time.

Tell her that I don't want to have to send out the butler to fetch my angry trousers

Hi Max: Will see if Mrs Crusty will let me eat and chat at the same time. I expect no to be the answer

CEO

Read here: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1322140&page_number=16

Rookie

I've been doing pushups... we are good.

Rookie

Do you have the URL for your blog on free tools?

We still have 8 minutes to go before the doors burst open and the throng arrives

Me either. Where's the refreshments?

 

Rookie

Hi Cabe -- Happy Friday!!!

lo everyone. I haven't been in a chat room like this since the BBS days.

Rookie

@Philipe3: ello

I'm sorry, but you are 2 hours early -- the chat starts at 10:00am Pacific time (that's 1:00pm Eastern time or 6:00pm UMC/GMT time) ... I hope to see you in 2 hours :-)

Our next live online chat will commence on Friday 30 May 2014 at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time (1:00 p.m. Eastern Time). You'll have to work out your local time from these clues (you can always use this handy-dandy Time Zone Converter).

Your hosts will be Cabe Atwell and Max Maxfield, and the topic of conversation will be anything and everything to do with free DIY tools for electronic engineers. As always, we will be following our usual practice of leaping from topic to topic with the agility of young, fearless mountain goats, so make sure you're wearing appropriate clothing!



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