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Max The Magnificent
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Re: Genealogy
Max The Magnificent   6/2/2014 9:32:06 AM
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This is wonderful information -- I will give them a call -- I'll post another comment here if I discover anything

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displaydave   6/2/2014 3:36:27 AM
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> Hmm, where would one go to look for information like this?

Hello Max, I was born and brought up in Stafford. I recommend you contact the William Salt Library in Stafford. They have a huge archive of material related to Stafford and Staffordshire. They will almost certainly have jail records that may help.

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Re: Brail(le)
David Ashton   5/30/2014 8:32:42 PM
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@Betajet.... "They'll insist on looking it up in the dictionary.  They'll find it... and never challenge me ever again :-)"

Don't you love it when that happens? :-)

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Re: Brail(le)
Max The Magnificent   5/30/2014 10:26:54 AM
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@betajet: Some day I would like to form the word heeltap when playing Scrabble.

When that happy day arrives, make sure you get pictures of yourself running round the room doing a "victory lap" so you can share the moment with the rest of us. I also hope you get the chance to form quidnunc one day (but I'm not holding my breath)

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Re: Brail(le)
betajet   5/29/2014 8:56:17 PM
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David mentioned Scrabble...

Some day I would like to form the word heeltap when playing Scrabble.  They'll challenge me, and I'll say "it's a small amount of liquid -- usually alcoholic -- left at the bottom of a glass".  They'll insist on looking it up in the dictionary.  They'll find it... and never challenge me ever again :-)

The word heeltap derives from when cobblers made shoes by hand.  Heels were made by gluing and nailing together thin pieces of leather, each called "taps", hence "heeltap".  The brown liquid left at the bottom of a glass has a similar appearance.

Ask me about quidnunc some time.  There's a fine, fun word!

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Re: Brail (le)
David Ashton   5/29/2014 6:12:51 PM
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@Max I had a feeling I had seen "Brail" somewhere before but would not have been able to define it.  When I play scrabble I insist that the words used (a) must be in the dictionary and (b) the user must be able to define them.   So I would have come short there.....

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Re: Maybe look for Derrick Housman
Max The Magnificent   5/29/2014 4:21:24 PM
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@Antedeluvian: The word derrick apparently derives from the similarity in structure to the gallows and is taken from the name of a hangman in Tyburn in 1600.

Nice try but no cigar.

I do wonder what my hangman ancestor was like -- if I were to power up my time machine and pop back for a visit, would he be someone with whom I would like to quaff a pint of ale and swap jokes, or would he be the sort of guy who always had to leave before he bought his round?

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Maybe look for Derrick Housman
antedeluvian   5/29/2014 3:31:17 PM
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Max

So, my next task will be to find out when there was a Hangman named Housman at Staffordshire Gaol. I'm assuming this would have to be sometime around the late 1700s or early 1800s. Hmm, where would one go to look for information like this?


The word derrick apparently derives from the similarity in structure to the gallows and is taken from the name of a hangman in Tyburn in 1600.

 

<Added after 15 mins> Ooops my bad. The entry says surname.

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Re: Brail (le)
Max The Magnificent   5/29/2014 9:58:21 AM
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@David: Is Brail the American spelling or your fingers being naughty again like mine do?

Arrggh -- good catch -- I fixed it (note to self, "brail" = small line used in sailing ships; "braille" = tactile writing system used by the visually impaired)

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AE Housman quotes
David Ashton   5/28/2014 6:45:49 PM
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Good stuff, AE Housman.  There's a good assortment of quotes here

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/38069.A_E_Housman

I looked it up to see if my remembered favourite is there

"The toil of all that be
Helps not the primal fault;
It rains into the sea
And still the sea is salt." 

It IS AEH, and WAS there.  It's nice to know my marbles are not totally gone yet.....

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