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Is GoPro wearable device?
_hm   6/27/2014 9:38:46 PM
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It is little difficult for me to classify GoPro camera as wearable device. Yes, it is an accessories to sprot and very useful at that. But so many other devices are in that category.

It is not very well defined, but wearable devices are little different from that - I guess. Let us wait for Apple to to define it for us. I hope this time they too do not fumble.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
junko.yoshida   6/28/2014 5:41:35 AM
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@_hm, it's interesting you ask if GoPro is wearable. Of course it is, at least in my book. You wear it, your device comes with wifi and it has software to get connected to your smartphone. On the other hand, I bet you would agree that Google Glass is 'wearable.' So, what's the difference? With Google Glass, you can push and pull information with the cloud. GoPro is designed to push data to the cloud. But my point is, if you are asking people to 'wear' any device, its wearability should come with distinct purpose. Fitbit does. Glucose meter does. GoPro does.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
chanj0   6/28/2014 12:36:04 PM
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Absolutely. Junko, I enjoy your article and agree with your view of GoPro.


GoPro thrives so quickly. Not only have I seen athletics like cyclists, skiiers, etc wearing it but also motorcyclist who is commuting having a GoPro on the helmet. It provides on the road video and, in case of accident, an evidence of the incidence. So far, GoPro is definitely a wearable in athletic world. Although size matters, it doesn't need to be tiny. Who knows? As the technology improve, the next generation sport camera may go a quarter of the size of today's GoPro, consumer may start using it elsewhere.

To me, wearable shall not be limited to general public and is not just defined by the size.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
Anand.Yaligar   6/29/2014 10:57:16 AM
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As the technology improve, the next generation sport camera may go a quarter of the size of today's GoPro, consumer may start using it elsewhere.

@chanj0, do you think Google glasses will give tough competition to GoPro cameras because Google glasses can be easily fitted to helment ?

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
junko.yoshida   6/30/2014 9:21:24 AM
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@Anand, I do wonder, too, if Google Glass would become a tough competition for GoPro. But then, I think Google Glass tries to do way too much, and yet, it doesn't give users enough flexibility ---like putting the camera on a handle or any other part of the extreme sports equipment... I think Google Glass is another case of devices that try to do way too much and yet lack flexibility to meet specific individula usage or demand.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
wilber_xbox   6/29/2014 3:24:21 AM
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Thanks Junko for putting my feelings about wearables into words. I concur with you that comanies should not replicate the smartphone functionality into wearable devices but should innovate and create value for money.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
Anand.Yaligar   6/29/2014 10:46:56 AM
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 I concur with you that comanies should not replicate the smartphone functionality into wearable devices but should innovate and create value for money.

@Wilber_xbox, I agree with your opinion. But I am sure many people dont like carrying around smartphone in their pocket. They would love to wear those devices instead of carrying around them in their pocket.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
AZskibum   6/29/2014 3:23:56 PM
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There's no question that the GoPro is a wearable device. It's primary customer base are action sports enthusiasts who attach it to a helmet, or to handlebars, or to a pole that can be extended in front of the user to enable "selfies", as in the photo that appears in this article.

I also find it interesting that with the increasing popularity of affordable quadri-copter drones, GoPro seems to be the camera of choice for consumer aerial videography. This is a whole new and probably unexpected market for GoPro. Perhaps small now, but possibly significant in a few more years.

I also agree with the comment that Flip could've been a GoPro competitor if they hadn't been bought & buried before they got a chance to really hit their stride.

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Re: Is GoPro wearable device?
elctrnx_lyf   6/30/2014 6:20:52 AM
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Just so bad that FLIP was bought by Cisco just to be killed. I don't think they will ever come out with soem product such as this GoPro.

_hm
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Let us define Wearable device
_hm   6/28/2014 4:07:59 PM
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I am not entirely convinced. So why not put efforts and begun start generically define - wearable device?

This will help EE community in general and we can have winner who can define it most aptly.

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Re: Let us define Wearable device
junko.yoshida   6/30/2014 9:26:48 AM
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@_hm. I think you planted an excellent seed for the converation for a wearable device definition. Based oncomments posted here, I can sum up wearable definition:

1. Needs to run many days (weeks and months) without worrying about charging.

2. Serves a specific function (rather than a catch-all-device)

3. Comes with communication capability -- but communication needs to be always in the background, not in the foreground

4. Needs to be small enough to wear, but it's flexible enough to attach almost anywhere.

I hope people will add more to the list above; or debate on any points I listed above.

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Re: Let us define Wearable device
lcovey   6/30/2014 5:56:27 PM
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You might want to start with this report from Forrester: http://recode.net/2014/06/30/fill-bucket-with-cold-water-stick-out-wrist-dump-on-wearables/


 

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Re: Let us define Wearable device
_hm   7/1/2014 7:01:28 AM
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I got following definition from Wikipedia:

Wearable technologywearable devicestech togs, or fashion electronics are clothing and accessories incorporating computer and advanced electronic technologies. The designs often incorporate practical functions and features, but may also have a purely critical or aesthetic agenda.[1]

But this needs to be refined further.

 

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Re: Let us define Wearable device
gonzalotudela   7/2/2014 2:36:25 PM
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There could be 3 umbrellas that would help define a wearable device.

1. Wearable: Device must be worn on the body throughout its use; it should not be carried.

* This encompasses more than clothing and accessories, such as exokeletons (http://vandrico.com/device/ekso-bionics)

2. Controllable: Device must be controllable by the user; this could be done either actively or passively.

* This encompasses passively controlled "fitbits", where the user is unaware of the data collection happening.

3. Enhancing: Device must augment knowledge, facilitate learning or enhance experience.

* This is to capture devices that offer unique attributes, such as air quality control detectors and head mounted displays.

 

You may want to check this out if you're interested in wearable technology - http://vandrico.com/database

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Re: Let us define Wearable device
AZskibum   7/3/2014 1:28:48 PM
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Excellent and all-encompassing definition gonazlotudela!

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alex_m1   6/28/2014 5:46:51 PM
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I think the strategy behind those watches is this: Currently it's only a niche product, but it's probably profitable(for the hw companies , and it's peanuts for google) - so why not sell and it and be ready incase some innovation(in sensors, in google now, in fashion) will make it a hit . The other option is not being ready and letting someone else grab a critical platform - quite a big risk.

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Anand.Yaligar   6/29/2014 10:53:27 AM
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Currently it's only a niche product, but it's probably profitable(for the hw companies , and it's peanuts for google) - so why not sell and it and be ready incase some innovation(in sensors, in google now, in fashion) will make it a hit .

@alex_m1, I agree with you. Wearable devices have become fashion statements for many youngsters. Many of them dont want to carry smartphones in their pockets instead they would like to wear it in the form of watches or glasses.

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prabhakar_deosthali   6/29/2014 6:36:55 AM
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As per my opinion, the difference between a wearable device and a smart phone is same as the difference between an embeeded system  and a laptop or tablet computer.

While in a Laptop or tablet, the computing is at the forefront , whereas in an embedded system  the user  function it is performing is at the forefront.

 

Similarly in a wearable device the functionality should be at the forefront and the phone capability or any kind communications capability should be a background function and should be automatically happening wihout user intervention.

 

 

 

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Wearable definition
junko.yoshida   6/30/2014 9:17:13 AM
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@prabhakar, you wrote:

Similarly in a wearable device the functionality should be at the forefront and the phone capability or any kind communications capability should be a background function and should be automatically happening wihout user intervention.

Voila. I think that pretty much sums up wearable requirements.

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Re : Wearable: Ask First 'Why Wear It?'
Anand.Yaligar   6/29/2014 10:44:18 AM
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@Junko,Thanks for the post. GoPro is popular because its small and lightweight, which is very convenient when filming yourself with sports or just action shots. Other reasons why its very popular is because its waterproof and there are millions of secure mounts that let it fit anywhere. 

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What we have to compromise
Duane Benson   6/29/2014 2:08:10 PM
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My very first cell phone, a now ancient Motorola Flip Phone, would need to be charged once a day if I didn't use it much. The last non-smart phone I had could go a week or more without a battery charge if I didn't use it much. My first smart phone needed to be charged once a day, if I didn't use it much - a big step backwards in a major part of the utility.

I can't imagine going from two years on a watch battery to needing to charge a watch every day.

The purpose isn't the only thing necessary to consider when producing and selling a wearable device. It's also important to consider what we have to give up to get there. Apparently, the utility of a smartphone outweighed battery life for most people, but in my mind, it was a pretty lousy trade off.

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Re: What we have to compromise
alex_m1   6/29/2014 2:35:40 PM
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Duane, with wireless charging ,(in the future) you'll just need to put your watch in a box/bowl at the end of the day for charging. It can become a habit and require little effort.

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Re: What we have to compromise
Duane Benson   6/29/2014 2:42:37 PM
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Alex - That would be a good step in the right direction. It won't help when I'm hiking or otherwise away from power sources.

It would also be nice if the wireless charging was standardized so hotels could have wireless charging hot spots.

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sucessful devices will likely be "newer" experiences
MWagner_MA   6/30/2014 7:20:30 AM
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As I watch this new industry unfold, there are many gimmics (like the dick tracy watches).  However, the stuff like the GoPro camera systems are likely going to continue.  It provides a way of sharing types of physical experiences that up to now (like skydiving) you either had to have VERY expensive equipment or you had to do it yourself.


I suspect many other products will just be a fad.  I"m not willing to trade my VERY reliable stainless wrist watch for a gadget that likely will fail just before i need to catch a plane.  Again, its the right tool for the right application.

 

Products that try to do EVERYTHING in a small package are likely a compromise and will have very poor reliability.  Alas, there will be a market for that for the generations that don't mind buying the same device every two years.

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Re: sucessful devices will likely be "newer" experiences
junko.yoshida   6/30/2014 9:14:32 AM
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@MWagner_MA, you wrote:

its the right tool for the right application.

I think that's the quintessentail definition of what's needed in the wearable devices. I don't think we can ask consumers to attach "do-everything" device onto themselvesl all the time.

 

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Solving a non existant problem
lcovey   6/30/2014 10:58:31 AM
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Duane Benson   6/30/2014 12:50:08 PM
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lcovey - I agree with that. I think it's good and vauable for the hobby and DIY world to experiement with crazy ideas that may not have any real use, but when a company is selling something, they have a responsiblity  to their customers to sell devices with actual valuable uses.

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Not Everyone misunderstood
Ogerbi   6/30/2014 1:33:49 PM
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Not everyone misunderstood the action-sports camera market.

Check out Ronald Foster's invention of the completely integrated helmet camera. US6,819,354 filed June 2000. Gives him the method and apparatus now seemingly in the most advanced GoPro HERO3+ Black where a cell phone / app became his remote terminal. This was a marketing guy. Maybe he surfed.

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Drawback of function-specific
kfield   6/30/2014 2:04:26 PM
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I completely buy the argument that you don't want your wearable cluttered with too many features - kind of llike a spork except much less useful. BUT I don't exactly want to wearing a proliferation of wearables - one for steps, one for blood pressure, one for camera taking...my goodness we'd all be completely loaded down!

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Re: Drawback of function-specific
elizabethsimon   6/30/2014 3:00:23 PM
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You make a point. I think as long as the number of functions that you want is small (less than four say), then it makes sense to have them separate. On the other hand, there are some features that it makes sense to combine. For instance a step counter could include a timer or stop watch or some other exercise related feature. On the other hand, combining a camera with a step counter wouldn't be as useful because you would likely want to wear them in different positions.

 

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Re: Drawback of function-specific
AZskibum   6/30/2014 7:43:18 PM
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Ideally, I think a wearable should have a single function or very small number of related functions. A great example is a popular pedometer that is only a pedometer. I wear mine every day, and it can be unobtrusively worn almost anywhere on the body and completely hidden from view.

The same company makes a device that is only worn on the wrist and adds a couple more features like the ability to count vertical steps and the ability to monitor sleep. I can't fathom how sleep patterns relate to activity level measured in steps, and it seems to me that the sleep monitoring feature was added primarily because the developers found that it could be added at little to no exta cost -- not because active walkers & joggers were also keenly interested in monitoring their sleep.

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Wearable: Ask First 'Why Wear It?
TFCSD   7/6/2014 11:56:31 PM
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Remember the Casio CFX-400 scientific calulator watch in the 80's? I still waiting for that funtionality on a watch to show up again.



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