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krisi
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Re: Eye contact
krisi   7/25/2014 10:41:55 AM
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I live in Vancouver, Canada...driving is terrible here as well for different reasons though...one of my pet peeves is driving on a left lane slowly...another stopping at the intersection to make a visual contact with another driver to decide who should go first (regardless of what the signs say)...therefore I prefer to bike and use public transportation

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kfield   7/25/2014 10:38:13 AM
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@krisi And where do you live and what are the idiosyncracies of the drivers there?

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krisi   7/25/2014 10:25:46 AM
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thank you @kfield...great link, I had a good chuckle

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kfield   7/25/2014 10:23:13 AM
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@krisi "I wonder whether Boston has more accidents due to this...most of the world uses visual contact"

I am not sure about that, some of the other rules of Massachusetts driving seem even more likely to cause an accident!  http://www.worcestermass.com/driving.shtml

Why do people not seek eye contact? It's obvious! "Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way, except in Boston where it acts as an invitation to duel or play chicken."

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krisi   7/25/2014 10:14:33 AM
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I wonder whether Boston has more accidents due to this...most of the world uses visual contact

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kfield   7/25/2014 9:47:37 AM
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@junko.yoshida: @Hardwlntr, I do agree that between drivers, or between a driver and a pedestrian, eye contacts do play important roles.

You do know it's a time-honored tradition here in Boston to never make eye contact with another driver, particularlly when you are planning on cutting in ahead!!

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sw guy   7/25/2014 8:27:08 AM
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Eye contact is not always possible, and the lack of automation not necessarily the right answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster

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junko.yoshida   7/24/2014 10:45:25 PM
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@Hardwlntr, I do agree that between drivers, or between a driver and a pedestrian, eye contacts do play important roles.

As a human driver, we would definitely lose the opportunity for "a room for negotiation" when we are up against a self-driving car. 

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junko.yoshida   7/24/2014 3:03:17 PM
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Thank you for your thoughtful comments, C VanDorne. 

You wrote:

... "freedom and ownership" are key to why people buy vehicles.  Otherwise why would motorcycles even be allowed on the road?


Exactly. And yet, the way I see self-driving cars is that fully autonomous cars are not necessarily for individual consumptions, but more suited for a community ownership, so that people can be carried from one place to another -- much like the public transportation offers us services. 

If my assumptin is correct (of course, I could be totally off-bsse here), people will have less pleasure in driving their own cars. Rather than driving their own cars as the way they want to drive, a self-driving car dictates your driving behavior and it could rob your pleasure. 

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CC VanDorne   7/24/2014 2:53:53 PM
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Junko,

"We seem to have lost the way to reach out to one another."  I think the avenues of communication are doing fine - this forum is proof, and more than ever.



"The automotive industry is underestimating the driver's emotional attachment to "freedom" and "ownership.""

Two takes:

One: Frankly, I was rather surprised to see the Euopean numbers on this.  I fully expected that people who are more acclimated to public transportation would be more receptive to automated driving.  But I was happy to see it.

Take two: I can understand this forums interest - we'd be designing the stuff, but it intregues me, what's driving this question in the first place?  (No pun intended.)  Because I think that automobile marketers have always know full well, and have literally banked on the fact, that "freedom and ownership" are key to why people buy vehicles.  Otherwise why would motorcycles even be allowed on the road?

If someone were to ask me what kind of rat I smell it would be that I suspect that someone in one of those un-Godly departments of government that make Jim Williams batty, or a like minded person/group now firmly infecting the automobile industry, is trying to find out how much public push back they're going to get when they forcibly implement, or are forced to implement, something that takes away the afformentioned freedom and ownership, like OBD-III.

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