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krisi
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Re: You don't see China crying about protectionism that much
krisi   9/5/2014 11:25:45 AM
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Qualcomm making 60% of their revenue from China? Sounds high

CC VanDorne
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Re: Compare? or conrast.
CC VanDorne   9/5/2014 9:54:45 AM
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Thanks, bu I must correct a typo.  To correctly play off of the PRC's official name it should have read "The People's V.C.".

 

Anyway...

junko.yoshida
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Re: Compare? or conrast.
junko.yoshida   9/5/2014 9:51:27 AM
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@C VanDorne, "People V.C."? Lol. I like it. 

Yes, happy friday to you too!

CC VanDorne
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Re: Compare? or conrast.
CC VanDorne   9/5/2014 9:47:54 AM
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Thanks for the link, Junko, and Happy Friday.  This storyline has inspired me.  I'll call it "The People V.C."?  I think it works - the tag anyway.  If this new-friendly fascism actually works in practice in China...well, that remains to be seen, and will be fun to watch.  Please keep up the good work.

junko.yoshida
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Re: Compare? or conrast.
junko.yoshida   9/5/2014 1:55:16 AM
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@C VanDorne, I got a little more information on the topic you and I have been talking about here.

Please read the latest story I posted here:

Can China Buy Its Way into Global IC Industry?

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1323760&

lilzz
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You don't see China crying about protectionism that much
lilzz   9/1/2014 12:48:39 PM
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China has already taken the best shots from US on Protectionism. Obama admin has raised record amount tariffs against Chinese industrial goods such as steel products, tires, auto parts, solar panels and out right banned huawei and ZTE on US markets. yet company like qualcomm making over 60% revenue from China , $12.5 billion from China.  It doesn't take a genius to see such huge discrepancy. and Not Wonder makes Chinese government mad.  

You don't see China Crying that much publicly about it.

Now China is out to get even. and you see US and EU crying so hard about it. 

Like a boxer, you need to able to dish out as well as taking punches. 

I mean the stuffs China selling right now in US markets do need WTO helps shoes, jackets , toyes etc.  Even without WTO US will not snuff those daily usage stuffs out from China else inflation will run through the roof.

The battle is at hitech and industrial products. 

I mean pretty much majority of China industrial products have already been target of Obama admin.

You don't see China crying about it. It took the punches from US quite well.

Now China gets even with US and I see all kinds of crying , raging,  howling in US media. ..pathetic.. Sheeshhh  Cannot take punches at all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lilzz
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Older technology still good.
lilzz   9/1/2014 11:48:24 AM
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Alot of older technology still good. 

You know the law of "Diminishing Return"

There's isn't a whole lot of difference between current tech and tech of 30 yrs ago. 

Fo example, at the height of cold war, US produced the Sea Wolf Class Submarine, B2, F22. 

30 yrs later now, US have Virginia subs and F35, heck, there's NO clear advantage between weapons 30 yrs ago versus what's current have. In fact F35 in alot of ways inferior to F22 of 30 yrs ago.

So, if China only sticks to self produced MIPS CPU, and only used self produced DDR2 memory and own chipsets for its desktop, server, laptops, it won't MISS a BEAT.

The country still do FINE.

It doesn't need all those leading edge , exotic stuffs at all. It just a way for western companies to maintain its monopoly.

 

A good analogy is "an adopted child will never be as good as your own" because he or she doesn't share your bloodline. It doesn't get anymore fundamental than that. 

There will be 2 distinct trends in China. On one hand there still be company like Lenovo, Xiaomi that used alot of foreign tech so they can still sell to oversea,.or general public. 

On another trend, the government, military,  state firms and education areas, self owned technology will emerged.  They will exclude lenovo and Xiaomi because they are using too much foreign techs in which China have no way of control.

 

junko.yoshida
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Re: Here's how it goes
junko.yoshida   8/31/2014 8:11:33 PM
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Thanks for laying all that out to us. 

However, I don't particularly agree with your following statement.

NYWAY, EVEN IF WESTERN TECH ARE SUPERIOR, BUT IF CHINA CANNOT CONTROL IT, IT"S BETTER NOT USE IT. THAT"S BOTTOM LINE. Rather gain the lowered tech and modify it and use it. 


Regardless where the technology originates from, if the technology is effective, people will have a way to use it.

None of our economies, if we built such rigid walls around us, would have progressed to the state as we enjoy today.

By the way, that also includes China. (i.e. Many great chips designed in China -- including those by Spreadtrum -- are fabricated by TSMC today.)

 

lilzz
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Here's how it goes
lilzz   8/31/2014 6:30:00 PM
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It's fairly simple, China is tired of exporting  only shoes, clothes, and toys while importing a overhwemling amount of hightech stuffs from advanced countries. 

How about switch role, China will make and export all kinds of advanced stuffs and US and Japan make shoes and clothes for China??  How do you feel about that?

Your comments about Chinese hightech companies retreating back to Chinese state firm is off. Why? because all these years, none of them have risen to western competition due to overhweming lead by western companies. A different way needed to get it done. 

It's Not good for China to keep using the latest leading western tech, instead, they should use Tech they can control and have mastered even if they are abit behind. 

Anyway, China unlike any countries like Japan, Korea which simply do not have the market size to doing this way.  

Already, government already banned window 8 , and will debut its own OS (linux derivative) for desktop and Smart phone. It will promote domestic G4 cellphone chips by Hisilicon, Spreadtrum...etc  And asked bank to switch away from IBM server and Cisco routers.  You will see Chinese made MIPS based processors ramping up to for desktop, supercomputer and low cost platform for IoT.  Soon government will screen for government, state firm pruchased computers and cellphone for ALL-CHina-Made components for those systems, meaning CPU, memories, Chipsets, and harddrives have to made in China.  Not more made-in taiwan or made in korea compoents for those government purchases. That's why you seeing Samsung setup a very advance memory fab in Xian for this reason. 

You can say  whatever China produced in China may not be accepted by western countries. Duh, big deal. just like its COMAC C919 airplane project even not a single one sold to country outside China , it still will do it and sell it to domestic airlines. 

Remember, China will become a $20 Trillion economy, even if none of its hightech products sold to western countries, it's still pretty big for all domestic supplier.  Third and second tiered countries will for sure buy Chinese hightech stuffs.  

ANYWAY, EVEN IF WESTERN TECH ARE SUPERIOR, BUT IF CHINA CANNOT CONTROL IT, IT"S BETTER NOT USE IT. THAT"S BOTTOM LINE. Rather gain the lowered tech and modify it and use it. 

Thta's route China is going. 

The day of multinational companies dominating China is over. 

Not just Qualcomm, but Intel,  Broadcom, Lattice, TriQuint, Altera, Linear, TI they better watch out. Right now, Microsoft, McAfee, Cisco, Google the software and system guys got hit big but later component guys will also get hit.

If they are smart, they better team up with Chinese state firm to form a sharing  JV in China and then they can at least survive abit or else they will be sweep out of door in near future,.

And many of them using taiwan manufacturing and sell them to China market. That's not going to work. No way...  China will crack down on that.

I read about Japanese firms trying to ramp out the G4 stuffs trying to capture China market, well, they have bulleye on their back now China trying to ramp their own stuffs plus the tense political situation between the two countries. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

junko.yoshida
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Re: nationalism matters
junko.yoshida   8/31/2014 5:41:35 PM
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Thanks for your comment. I am not sure if I am 'paranoid' as you say, but I sense I am not the only one who wants to understand what's going on in China. I do agree with you: China is ready to up its game. Tell us more some of the things you've learned about China's strategic industries.

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