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antedeluvian
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antedeluvian   9/4/2014 4:07:20 PM
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Wow, that level of service is amazing. I looked at your link and the site is the Amazon one, indistinguishable from any of the others. I tried googling to find a web-site, but there was none. And yet here is service that certainly stands out from the crowd.

I don't know what books Ms Banes specializes in (she doesn't recognize mine!) or how she does her business (does she just have stock or does she try to find books?). In Canada there is a radio presenter who has instituted an annual award called the "Arthurs" which are given to people who go out of their way to help others without any thought of recompense. I would think Ms Banes might be a nominee.

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Max The Magnificent   9/4/2014 4:18:07 PM
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@Antedeluvian: I don't know what books Ms Banes specializes in (she doesn't recognize mine!) or how she does her business (does she just have stock or does she try to find books?).

I don't know myself -- I'll email her and ask her to post a comment here.

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mhrackin   9/4/2014 6:30:07 PM
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This got me thinking about my abundant trove of old BOOKS.  Here's a small sample of what is on my shelves:

RCA data books: Transmitting Tubes (1962)  Receiving Tubes (1961) Transistor Manual (1966)

ITT:  Reference Data for Radio Engineers, 4th edition (1956)  (this was a REQUIRED textbook; it cost $4.95 in the student bookstore.  My "new" version cost me about $60!)

References: Industry Research "Standard Conversion Factors" pocket-size (1944)

CRC Mthematical Tables, 12th edition (1959)

Semi Mfr. books: TI, "Communications Handbook" 2 volumes, 1965

Burr-Brown, 2 voume set "Operational Amplifers" and "Filter Design" (1963/1966)

Motorola: "High-speed Switching Transistor Handbook" 1963 and "IC Design" 2-volume set (1967)

AT&T: "TV Signal Analysis" (1955)

US Navy/MIT: Microwave Techniques (1950)

Old texts: Electronic Engineering, Alley and Atwood,1962; Electronics, Corcoran et al, 1954; Magnetic Circuits and Transformers, MIT Staff, 1943' and Fortran Programming (my last formal SW course, 1961) 

REALLY old stuff fro my youth: Popular Science, Boy's Fun Book (est. early '40s, date torn off);Popular Mechanics, The Boy Mechanic (1952, 6th edition; first was 1913!) 

w.w. Sawyer, Mathematician's Delight (I posted about this recently, but found my copy today:FIRST EDITION paperback ©1943, my copy printed 1951)

Last, something special for MAX:  2002 catalog for Antique Electronics Supply Co.!   although it's "new" you'll be pleased to know they are STILL AROUND and at tubesandmore.com  They are in Tempe AZ so likely have a lot of old Motorola Semi stuff!

Remeber, this is just a SAMPLE of what I have book-wise.  Max, if you were envious of the storage space in my workshop, I have an equivalent abundance of bookcases upstairs  (4 rooms, each with at least a few shelves).

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antedeluvian   9/4/2014 6:40:16 PM
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Mark

This got me thinking about my abundant trove of old BOOKS.  Here's a small sample of what is on my shelves:

Did you see my blog

Preserving Data Books From Yesteryear

 

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Re: Amazing
Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:24:23 AM
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@antedeluvian: Did you see my blog Preserving Data Books From Yesteryear

Of course -- you are doing something really useful here -- have you thought about uploading the entire archive to the cloud?

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Re: Amazing
antedeluvian   9/5/2014 9:30:59 AM
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Max

have you thought about uploading the entire archive to the cloud?

The idea has come up before but which cloud? And if I am to upload it via the internet it will take a loooooong time, to say nothing of my bandwidth allotment if I do it from home. There would be no Netflix for many months.

And more importantly- I suspect that there may be copyright issues. Being obsolete books etc., you might think that nobody would care, but I am not about to experiment with the legal system any more than I already have.

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Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:41:12 AM
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@antedeluvian: The idea has come up before but which cloud?

The whitest, fluffiest one, of course!

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Re: Amazing
Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:42:07 AM
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@antedeluvian: I suspect that there may be copyright issues.

Yeah -- I did wonder about that (sad face)

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Re: Amazing
krisi   9/5/2014 12:15:04 PM
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Yeap, there will be copyright issues...if there were not Google would download all the books in the world...oh, yes, they are trying to just that...and put authors like me out of business

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Re: Amazing
mhrackin   9/5/2014 12:38:40 PM
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Yes I did read it, and it remnded me (sadly) of my rash decision to toss out my old (leather-bound!) TI data books just a few years ago.  I (other than what I listed in the previous post) figured I really couldn't justify the number of shelf-feet dedicated to stuff that was older than 20 years or so, or from suppliers no longer with us (even as parts of other companies).  The follies of youth.... To update the saying from MY youth, "Don't trust anyone under 60!"

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mhrackin   9/5/2014 1:01:48 PM
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I left out a key point about the leatherbound TI data dooks: they covered ONLY discrete devices and each volume was over an inch thick.  ICs (at least for TI) were a lab curiosity back then.  I used have (may still, in one of the zillion plastic and metal drawers in my basement lab) a TI404 silicon transistor that I had managed to loosen the metal cap from.  The device itself looked exactly like the old sketches in the (few) books on Semicoductor Physics (yes, I still have those) available then.  It was a tiny (but visible to the naked eye) bar of P-type silicon with even tinier dots of N-type doped Si on two opposite sides of the bar.  It introduced me to the optoelectronic properties of semis; I found that with the cap off, I didn't need to bias the base if the room was brightly lit!  That enlightened me (pun intended) to the similar behavior of my first single-transistor radio using a Raytheon CK722 germanium PNP that I designed long before I learned how to properly bias such a device (I was 11 at that time).  It worked much better at night when I would listen under the bedcovers if I shone my flashlight at it.  I had always wondered why....  That CK722 cost me $7.50 in the mid-1950s, representing mowing about 5 or 6 lawns!  PS: it acted that way because it was encased in plastic, not metal like the TI400.

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JGrubbs   9/5/2014 5:39:03 PM
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@mhrackin   "That CK722 cost me $7.50 in the mid-1950s.....

 

I bought 2ea CK722 and 1ea CK721 around that same time (I was 17 years old).

It cost about $25.00 for the three of them. Lot of money for three transistors,

probably would had bought me 75 gallons of gas. I still have them and a GE 2N43.

The 2N43 was GE's first commercially available junction transistor.

 

 

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Re: Amazing
Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 1:59:51 PM
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@mhrackin: ...my rash decision to toss out my old (leather-bound!) TI data books...

TI had leather-bound data books???

     I never, ever saw one.

 

You threw them out??? ??? ???

     You mad, impetuous young fool! :-)

 

 

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mhrackin   9/5/2014 2:17:38 PM
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Alas, true on both counts.  Perhaps TI was trading on the "Texas" ranch connection.  The bindings were a brown/yellow color, presaging the later adoption of a brighter yellow for TI books that still is in use AFAIK.  They were hard to obtain (for free), and only from TI factory reps or FAEs.  TI SOLD most of them for a pretty penny.  I got mine when I worked in the Motorola Comm Division Research labs in the late '60s.  Although Mot was a TI competitior we had a very good relationship with them as the industry was pretty small then.

BTW, at one time my catalog collection included EVERY year's HP test gear catalog.  In the same "pruning" that resulted in the loss of the TI books, I kept only the late '90s to the last one pre-Agilent.  Still have those.

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Re: Amazing
mhrackin   9/5/2014 2:20:38 PM
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@max: re "I never, ever saw one.."

In the words of the old song (which you likely don't know either:

"Born, too late...."

Maybe 10 years before the TI books came out....

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Re: Amazing
Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:22:54 AM
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@mhrackin: Remeber, this is just a SAMPLE of what I have book-wise.  Max, if you were envious of the storage space in my workshop, I have an equivalent abundance of bookcases upstairs  (4 rooms, each with at least a few shelves).

OMG -- you lucky rascal -- the next time I come to Atlanta I want to see your collection!!!

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Wnderer   9/5/2014 12:01:26 PM
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@mhrackin This got me thinking about my abundant trove of old BOOKS


I used to surf the references in electronics books and app notes to find new books to read. I ended up with a bunch of old electronics books dating back to an 1894 copy of Heavide's electronic papers. My favorite is Harry S Black, of negative feedback fame, 1953 book Modulation Theory. It's really about communication theory and has chapters on Sampling, Information Theory, Pulse-Duration Modulation and Analog Digital Conversion using a coder tube. The book has the best acknowledgements ever:

"The author wishes to acknowledge the wholehearted cooperation and help of his many colleagues, particularly the suggestions of J.O. Edson, R.V.L. Hartley, H. Nyquist, R.K. Potter and C.E. Shannon."

The opening lines of chapter one are: "Boy winks at girl. Girl smiles. Here is an example of communication ..."

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Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 12:14:27 PM
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@Wnderer: The book has the best acknowledgements ever...

That's not bad, but I still like the one I used in my book Bebop to the Boolean Boogie (An Unconventional Guide to Electronics), which reads:

 

This book is dedicated to my Auntie Barbara, whose assiduous scrubbing in my younger years has left me the proud owner of the cleanest pair of knees in the known universe!

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betajet   9/5/2014 1:50:22 PM
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@Wnderer: The book has the best acknowledgements ever...

My all-time favorite dedication is archy and mehitabel (1927) by Don Marquis:
Dedicated to Babs, with Babs knows what and Babs knows why.


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David Ashton   9/4/2014 6:14:03 PM
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@Antedeluvian - "I don't know what books Ms Banes specializes in (she doesn't recognize mine!) "

I don't think you're old enough yet!!

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betajet   9/5/2014 1:52:23 PM
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Maybe she specializes in the ones marked "See Librarian" in the card catalog :-)

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Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 2:00:55 PM
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@betajet: Maybe she specializes in the ones marked "See Librarian" in the card catalog :-)

You seem to know a lot about this category :-)

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See Librarian
betajet   9/5/2014 2:18:39 PM
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I learned what "See Librarian" really meant from a wonderful homage to Tennessee Williams called "The Kindness of a Stranger".  The homage is by cult film director John Waters, published in the New York Times Sunday Book Review in 2006.
I wanted these "see Librarian" books — and I wanted them now — but in the late 1950s (and sadly even today), there was no way a warped [12-year-old] adolescent like myself could get his hands on one.  But I soon figured out that the "see Librarian" books were on a special shelf behind the counter.  So when the kindly librarian was helping the "normal" kids with their book reports, I sneaked behind the checkout desk and stole the first book I ever wanted to possess on my own.

www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/books/review/Waters.t.html

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dbane1956   9/4/2014 10:23:45 PM
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Thank you Max, for the kind remarks. This book sale was bittersweet and I hated to see it go. I worked in an Industrial R&D Lab, we had our own Model/Prototype Shop and I inherited the book from one of the shop supervisors. I don't specialize in any type of books but have kept a few of my own books on older computer systems but I'm only 58, how old can they be?

The work that antediluvian has done on preserving books is remarkable.

On my desk right now is Taschenbuch Fur den Maschinenbau (translated via google as Paperback for the Mechanical Engineer?) Prof. H Dubbel 1935, poor condition, written in German – FREE! any takers? I cannot imagine this would sell on Amazon. I see now that I may have an audience for some of my strange old tech books.

Here is a book I had for sale but delisted it – the reproduction artists are already offering it in paperback, including imperfections: Heaven and It's Wonders and Hell from Things Heard and Seen by Emanuel Swedenborg. Lippincott, 1881 (Swedenborg describes entities that live all around us). Like I said, I don't specialize.

Max, I look forward to seeing more of your projects.

Deb

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mithrandir   9/4/2014 11:49:20 PM
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Ah, if only I could read german, I would have jumped on this one. It'll just end up on my shelf untouched and revered but sadly unused... something I can't let a good book suffer.

 

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Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:27:29 AM
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@mithrandir: Ah, if only I could read german, I would have jumped on this one.

You're a young man -- you've still got time to learn German :-)

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Max The Magnificent   9/5/2014 9:26:33 AM
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@dbane: This book sale was bittersweet and I hated to see it go.

All I can say is that it has found a good home where it will be treasured and well cared for (it asked me to tell you "Hi" and says for you not to worry -- it's very happy :-)

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mhrackin   9/5/2014 12:42:58 PM
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"Taschenbuch" translates literally as "pocket book" which was aregistered trademark of Pengiun Books IIRC.

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perl_geek   9/11/2014 6:03:51 PM
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If you are interested in obsolete technologies, you might like to know about a publisher in the UK, Camden, camdenmin.co.uk who specialise in that sort of thing. (They started with steam, but expanded.) 

If you want a parts list for a Gnome radial, how to build a Tesla turbine, or how to rig a DH.9, that's the place to look. Mostly mechanical, but at least some electrical material. (No connection, other than a customer from time to time.)

The "steampunk" section looks as though it might be relevant; steampunk is close to Pratchetty.

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Max The Magnificent   9/11/2014 6:07:58 PM
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@perl_geek: If you are interested in obsolete technologies, you might like to know about a publisher in the UK, Camden, camdenmin.co.uk who specialise in that sort of thing.

Oooh -- I love that sort of thing!

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Max The Magnificent   9/11/2014 6:08:41 PM
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@Perl_geek: They started with steam, but expanded.

Pun intended? (If so, it's a good one)

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perl_geek   9/11/2014 6:19:37 PM
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I'd like to take credit for it being deliberate, but maybe an unconscious pun is even more worthy? :-)*

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Max The Magnificent   9/12/2014 10:08:27 AM
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@perl_geek: ...maybe an unconscious pun is even more worthy? :-)*

And maybe, jus tmaybe, people are laughing with me, not at me ... but past experiance has shown...



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