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TonyTib
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Re: Are scientists really not political?
TonyTib   4/25/2017 7:15:45 PM
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And governments don't have agendas, too? Or "global cooling global warming climate change" activists?

I'd take the word of someone like Judith Curry over Slate anyday.

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Re: Are scientists really not political?
tb100   4/25/2017 6:43:49 PM
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I think the problem is that much of the 'science' that downplayed human influence on global warming turned out to be paid for by executives of coal companies (such as the Koch brothers). Corporate paid 'science' creates understandable suspicion in all fields of science.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/12/01/exxonmobil_koch_family_have_powered_climate_change_denial_for_decades.html

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Re: I'll Sit It Out
elizabethsimon   4/25/2017 4:52:05 PM
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@GSKrasle

This gets back to my earlier point that the march is really about the federal government cutting funds for research. The implication of your story is that if the government doesn't fund it, the research won't get done. So my question is how can we fund research without having to rely on government?

As current events point out, government funding can be fickle depending on who is in charge. As a taxpayer, I would personally prefer that the government have less of our money to throw around but that's a different issue.

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Re: I'll Sit It Out
GSKrasle   4/25/2017 3:22:44 PM
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So I guess you're a William Proxmire fan.

I remember when he gave a "Golden Fleece" award for researchers working on, as he put it, "how radishes have sex."

The problem was, in this one case, I happened to have auxiliary expertise that this was indeed crucial research relevant to serious problems in agricultural production and in plant breeding of all the major staple crops. Trillions of dollars, billions of lives at stake, and the results of that one little study promised a revolution. But it was cut because a demagogue was able to twist the conversation to unfairly depict the topic in a misrepresentative way. I guess that's how demagogues work, how they get "points," and why we often miss opportunities of progress when these artful people politicize research.

Luckily, researchers, mostly in other countries, did explore the bases of heterosis and allogamic breeding, and maybe we didn't lose much time, but the whole attitude that unless there's a short-term payoff, research is useless, and making research risible ro rally opposition to it bothers me. After all, that guy Boole was laughed-at for his silly useless algebra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incompatibility_in_plants

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Are scientists really not political?
shane   4/25/2017 11:48:38 AM
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Much of the science march discussion seems to center on climate change research.

As a scientist, I have found it alarming that scientists whose research centers on natural climate change often seem to be excluded or at a minimum meet more resistance at publishing and presenting their research. Some are even ostracized from academia.

Many of those scientists have interesting observations around the lack of empirical evidence towards man-made climate change. Whether or not they are correct, are we really following the scientific method by not listening?

 

TonyTib
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Once scientist's view
TonyTib   4/24/2017 12:06:30 PM
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I'll Sit It Out
squirrelwhispher   4/23/2017 9:56:39 PM
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The only thing marches accomplish is to make your feet hurt. Everyone knows the best thing that could happen to government reserach is to cut their funds so they would be forced to prioritize their topics. Here are some examples of topics that are a complete waste of money

https://www.flake.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/03714fa3-e01d-46a1-9c19-299533056741/wastebook---the-farce-awakens.pdf

My favorite was a study of how long it takes various animals to empty their bladder

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/10/18/21-seconds-how-long-scientists-found-it-takes-all-mammals-to-do-this/

On second thought, this could be important if you are planning on a really long march. Have fun and be sure to wave at the tv cameras. 

 

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PBS on Science March
rick merritt   4/20/2017 10:26:16 AM
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My fave news program, PBS News Hour, put the Science March in perspective in a spot that aired yesterday.

See: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/scientists-dive-political-fray/

 

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Re: It is about spending our money
abraxalito   4/20/2017 12:09:05 AM
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It would seem entirely reasonable for governments to print their own money, however the printing's devolved to private institutions for reasons no-one seems to want to talk about...

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Re: Reason and the mob
KenKrechmer   4/19/2017 5:16:04 PM
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As technology becomes more embedded in our lives it makes sense that technology is politicized.  As an engineer I think it was more fun when technology was under the radar.  What is interesting to me now is that standardization organizations are making more decisions with political implications, e.g., digital rights management, encryption, bio metrics, etc.  The EU seems to recognize this and EU governments are active in EU standardization activities.  The US government (including past governments) does not.  So I see the US government as a technology denier not only about climate but almost everything.

Will I march for science?  My wife wants to, so I will join her.

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