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Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 12:54 PM
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 12:54 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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What made America # 1 is manufacturing?. Without manufacturing our times are marked. I came to this country and did high-school in 1979, worked all the way to Ph.D, and I could see we are losing our edge. We let anyone copy our innovation.
Example, if you think our innovation is JSSC and other preimeir journals, track the papers and countries associated with manufacturing slowing buildinf products that are innnovative.
I am not sure what our leaders are doing about this, but if we do not do anything and bring back manufacturing to US, then what are future generation of engineers going to do. Google, Apple, and ..... can only provide so much jobs.
Bring back manufacturing......
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:02 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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First Pittsburgh and parts of N. Carolina were shipped overseas, then Detroit, now it is Silicon Valley that is being packed-out one container at a time. High tech manufacturing in the US will likely be restored at some point once it becomes clear to the political class that being hollowed out is not a formula for success of the US economy and it becomes clear to overseas companies that US plants are an inoculation against protectionism. The pendulum will swing. It always does. The question though is once the plants come back who will own and control them.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:24 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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No doubt manufacturing and the satellite operations can generate a lot of jobs. Hypothetically, if all the manufacturing moved back to US, with so much regulation in place, what would be the costs of these manufactured goods, and would the goods be affordable, perhaps not until the average income are raised? If average income is raised, how about 'inflation'? Also, which countries outside of US can afford the goods, unlikely many of those in Asia? Therefore, there is no simple cure from 'moving manufacturing back to US'. Perhaps a few questions to ask are: why is manufacturing so much more expensive in US? Are these the reasons: unreasonable lawsuits and the compensation to go with them, the unrelentless expectation for double-digit profit quarter after quarter for business establishement by the greedy bankers and wall-street analysts, insufficient long-term investments (nowadays not many companies dare to invest signficant portion of revenue to R&D or else their stocks are pounded by Wall Street), forever rising health care cost (the government or the citizens are so rich that the drive for equality has no bound and limit!), changing altitude of the younger generation to becoming more self-centered (being happy and in control are the most important of anyone's life), ... The root causes for the decline is more than skin-depth, I believe. Thanks for listening.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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Excuse me sir, but my lawyers says I own the intellectual property of that gun you are pointing at me.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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What can be done in bringing manufacturing back home is in analyzing the sink holes: How much of the costs go to the exaggerated pay to executives? Who all together work to satisfy Wall street's gambling sprees rather than a sound business plan for a wholesome community.
The financial elite and their well paid servants do not care about the societal aspects -- they will outsource because it works for them. The Harvard prof. should take into account that soon enough his student body will be outsourced too.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:41 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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Our design team and Application team and Cad team were 'packed up' and their jobs went to
India. Inventory and fabs in South East Asia
to name a few countries. Now Apple can't come to my boss or I for design help with our parts, they have to call India... This College dream world is KILLING our country.
Environmental groups are killing or slowing down others. Some of it is correct. Some, a large part is out of control. If we don't design, prototype and manufacture goods - all we have left is buy and sell. We are now broke without jobs and can't see our bodies. yet .
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:46 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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That person soldering a surface mount capacitor in Malaysia who gets $2 a day can be replaced by a robot. If we automate our manufacturing to the hilt, the wage disparity will evaporate. This will cause, of course, fewer jobs to be created in the USA. An easy solution to that is to reduce the work week to spread around the remaining jobs. Convincing the "ownership" class in this country to pay a living wage for 4 days of work will require some political clout.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:47 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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Manufacturing is a base upon which the society builds. Base level workers have families that want work up the knowledge chain. It is a slow decline in the "dumbing down" of society without manufacturing.
We can see the rate of knowledge growth in China, not just as a result of government education, it comes as a result of the knowledge built in society from manufacturing. Accountant and those that fashion wall street, fail to account for the educational benefits to teh society that has a base with manufacturing. That, and the fact that we are complicit in supporting human exploitation through moving manufacturing and services to the lowest cost locations in the world. This is not truly a long term, viable solution and shows that offshoring of manufacturing and services is a short term profit maximization strategy. Vision and doing what is right is no longer seen as an investment in the future, but management for next quarters results is all that matters.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 2:52 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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I have heard this cry for the past 25 years. The United States remains the single biggest manufacturer in the world, bar none: $1.7 trillion in manufacturing outputs. China is a distant second at $1.3 trillion. Open and free trade is required, and if sustained more manufacturing will return as the cost of logistics to move finished products around continues to increase. I have been in the high tech product industry for 30 years and have been in manufacturing sites in the US, Japan, Mexico, China, India, and Taiwan. No one, other then the Japanese are cost to the US from a process capability and efficiency perspective. Yes they can throw low cost labor at it, but they cannot produce to the consistent and traceable quality levels.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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Innovation take a long time to bear fruit, typically in years. In my belief, until Wall Street rewards business establishment for dedicating sufficient amount of their revenue to R&D, innovation in US likely keeps declining. Of course, I am listening and is happy to correct my thought otherwise.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 3:09 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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One must read "The Age of Discontinuity" by Drucker to get a good perspective, thou dated, on this whole issue of Outsourcing and where the focus needs to be.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 3:09 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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The US should not even consider a move to a Service Based Economy, services are not innovative but are followers of technology. The US should bolster its manufacturing here and make rules and agreements to ensure the survival of its manufacturing base here. China has been allowed to have some unprecedented economic advantages by not allowing its currency on the open market where it would be valued much higher, this changes the value of products they export to an unfairly low value, and given the cost of their labor as well - they have an extreme cost advantage in exports and manufacturing (call it dumping by mandated value). This also makes it very difficult to export into China as the cost disparity is both ways. Perhaps we should value the dollar at 1/10th the chinese currency and then see how many countries use the United States as a point of manufacture for their products. The problem is not whether the costs are higher but whether the trade is fair. Unfortunately we have tough talkers when they campaign but now the campaign is over it would be nice to see real progress.
Manufacturing jobs are good jobs and support good jobs, they are not just line workers, they are engineeers, managers, and product testers, they are marketing and sales.
Having worked for an international company and seeing how they ensure control for manufacturing , engineering and direction along with the top posts they all go to their own along with the profits and benefits
The United States is the largest market in the world, while China is catching up - (who cares as they will not be able to get their products into China except they make them there as if they should try otherwise they will not be affordable to the average Chinese person). I am sure that fair trade would swing the balance in favor of innovation, and productivity!
SHAME on the U.S. and its leaders for allowing this to occur.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 3:27 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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Design, development, proto-type and high volume manufacturing should be regarded as a TOTAL PACKAGE. Right now, the US is at the mercy of the outsourcing countries. We are lucky these countries value these businesses. When these countries are rich economically, our companies will have to beg them to produce their brand new products. I believe this day will come in the future. US is still an ideal place for manufacturing, if we know how to get rid of the red tapes. Automation, inline systems and other new manufacturing technologies will enable us to be competitive. However, most companies choose to outsource. This is one big strategy for the US industry.
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Re: Comments for: "Manufacturing and the future of innovation. Join the conversation"
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Oct 6, 2009 3:51 PM
in response to: senthinathan
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High tech manufacturing is generally so automated that labor cost differences between the U.S. and other countries are relatively insignificant. Domestic manufacturing capability, moreover, should be seen as essential for national security. The higher costs of manufacturing in the U.S. are related mainly to state and local taxes. Minimizing these without resorting to tax subsidies can be accomplished by consolidating and streamlining thousands of overlapping government jurisdictions. Costs associated with insurance, litigation, etc., are relatively minor when compared to the excess overhead for government inefficiency.
Lower technology manufacturing is a different story, and it may be advantageous to rely on lower costs outside the U.S. The differences between low tech and high tech policy are real and should be acknowledged by those in policy making positions.
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