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No emerging of automatic AI yet
DeeJee0   4/14/2017 2:12:10 PM
My laptop has over 100 pressure sensors on its keybord, a touch sensitive pad, a mouse tracking my hand movements, a microphone, a webcam and bluetooth and wifi too sense the pressence of nearby machines. It has plenty of processing. With the keyboard I feed it with plenty of usable information. When attaching a scanner or camera it collects even more info of the world. Moreover it's connected to the vast worldwide database called the internet.

My phone has most of that too plus a touch screen, an accelerometer, a GPS location device, a sensor sensing 2G and 3G basestations. It has plenty of processing power too. More advanced models sense 4G as well and have fingerprint and iris scanners plus they have NFC.

Over a billion of them are connected to the internet. IP cammera's and other connected devices add to those numbers. Yet I don't see the slightest hint of a spontanous emerging intelligence that was not programmed. I fail to see how adding 10 times more of them with more processing power and bandwith and a few extra types of sensors would do different. That is, without any off them having some sort of AI or at least advanced self-learning capabilities programmed into them.

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Re: What level intelligence?
perl_geek   4/12/2017 1:37:13 PM
Individual learning behaviour has been observed, at least in some bees.

Hofstader's "Aunt Hillary" has yet to be observed, though.

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What level intelligence?
Don Herres   4/11/2017 4:57:13 PM
Ants and bees display high levels of intelligent interaction, but only in colonies or hives.  Intelligence of the nodes could be the same.  Then it bcomes a different question when the collective behaviour is analyzed by another entity (entomologist for humans, AI for computers?).

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Spontaneously arising sentience
DMcCunney   4/11/2017 4:03:19 PM
@Junko Yoshida: Lucio Lanza believes that billions of things, once connected, will eventually embody intelligence. The notion makes us feel a little uneasy.

Back in 1984, William Gibson wrote an SF novel called Neuromancer, which was the first of his "Sprawl" trilogy, followed by Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive.  Gibson didn't own a computer at he time, but his notions about the increasing interconnectedness of systems was prescient.  Part of the underlying premise of the series was that intelligence spontaneously arose in the world wide network, and protagonists interacted with virtual entities thay called Loas (after the Voodoo deities.)

The notion of intelligence spontaneously arising as a sufficient amount of processing power and complexity in the underlying systems is available is not confined to Gibson.  SF writer Robert A. Heinlein has used sentient systems in several novels.  They weren't designed to be sentient, but awoke spontaneously and the human protagonists had to deal with them.  (In one book, the sentient personality of a planetary control computer is downloaded into a cloned human body.  The computer personality is female, loves the male planetary chief executive, wants to become human and his mate, and does.)

I've seen lots of uneasiness, embodied in the question "What happens when your devices are smarter than you are?", with fears that the machines will become a threat to humanity and try to destroy us.  I fail to see why.  A sentient machine might take action against humans if it though they were a threat to its existance (like Skynet in the Terminator movie franchise, reacting to attempts to disable it), but the more likely reaction will be either partnership to achieve mutual goals or simple indifference because human concerns are simply irrelevant to the machines.

SF writer Vernor Vinge dealt wiuth that in his Hugo award winning A Fire Upon the Deep, in which it was possible for AIs to transcend, and become something incomprehensible to us.  Most such entities simply lost interest in communicating with organic life, and went off on their own pursuing goals we can't imagine.  (Vinge was a professor of computer science before his retirement, and has actual topic knowledge, unlike most speculators.)


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Remember Microbes?
klbruenn   4/10/2017 11:12:15 PM
For most of our existence, we have hosted a huge number and variety of microbes in our intestines, and these organisms communicate with each other and with our bodies to establish/maintain health.  The use of antibiotics, pesticides and herbicides in the 20th Century is correlated to increases in the rate of metabolic disorders (obesity, diabetes, etc.).  Arguably, these microbes know more about us than we do, and it is about time that we learn how to cooperate with our biome instead of trying to exploit it.

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