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embedded_eit
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Re: Enabling a dangerous autocrat
embedded_eit   9/20/2017 4:08:29 PM
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What a silly commentary.

To answer the fake portion of this commentary, most other countries won't care what Trump has to say about Charlottsville, much as we  don't care whether the BJP or BSP is in power in India ,or what Xi Jinping said last week about human rights in China. Now that we addressed the red herring portion of this article lets deal with the real issue.

 

Obviouly Trump wasnt saying the KKK or Neo-Nazis  are ok. Either the author and leftists hacks like dt_hayden  are willfully ignorant, or intentionally misleading when they say Trump was defending Nazis. Cleary Trump was correctly pointing out that the Anarchists and communist destroying property, as Antifa did, are bad actors; just as are the idiotic basement dwellers that make up the insignificant number of powerless Neo-Nazis and KKK'ers that showed up to protest. Most of the protesters on the left and the right were clearly neither Neo-Nazis nor Antifa, and when Trump said there "were bad people on both sides" he was referring to the instigators of trouble, and, of course, he was clearly correct about that. The left wing media of course will make hay about any nonsensical political point they can score, but is that our standard as well as putatively intelligent people? How many times does Trump have to disavow the irrelevant David Duke, to prove hes not a racist? This is just more insincere Orwellian propaganda tools the left uses to convince dumb voters of a non-facts.

 

If they want to remove historic figures they should vote on it in a democratic process, not have cowardly midnight tear-downs of historic figures who may be nominally related to slavery. Are we now employing the same tactics as the Taliban and Pol Pot because we are equally convinced of the supreme moral veracity of our beliefs? In this case can we just discard our constitution and bring back Obama to be our benevolent dictator? The left seems to be developing a nasty tendency of reverting to authoritarianism, substituting self-serving virtue signaling and dreams of moral absolution under the false premise of knowing whats best for all of us.

As an Engineer I expect to see more well thought out articles on related topics, not some political hack piece that's inaccurate, inflammatory, puerile, and nugatory.  Additionally, It's probably not a good idea to morally chastise half your audience with a political hit piece masquerading as a business article. If I was one of your advertisers I would seriously consider ending my sponsorship from a source of such an obviously biased commentary.

 

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Typical rabid rhetoric
Bert22306   8/24/2017 4:27:28 PM
Does anyone really think that statues of Civil War personalities can be torn down with no repercussions? So, even this paper, purveyor of Truth and Morality, can find it possible to wedge in a few facts, albeit laced with their overt bias.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/charlottesville-readies-for-a-white-nationalist-rally-on-saturday/2017/08/10/cff4786e-7c49-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.59deb1373c5f

"For the second time in six weeks, Charlottesville is bracing for a protest of its decision earlier this year to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a downtown park."

This was the motivation. I suppose that when Trump repeats this point from the news, the new moralists feel obliged to call them "lies." Now for some obvious bias, notice the order in which the participants are listed.

"White nationalists, white supremacists and members of alt-right groups will gather in the city at noon Saturday for the Unite the Right rally to voice opposition to the decision and assert itself as a movement."

No one in their right mind can think that everyone who opposes the tearing down of statues of Civil War personalities, and let's not stop there, because now we are also talking about Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and a host of others, everyone opposed to this is a swastika-wearing Nazi. That's just ludicrous.

And the article goes on to tell a more complete story about permits.

"The protest was originally scheduled to take place in the heart of the city at Emancipation Park, formerly Lee Park, where the city has ordered the removal of the Lee statue. (A Charlottesville judge ruled in May that the statue cannot be moved for six months, and the next hearing is scheduled for Aug. 30.)

"Earlier this week, however, city officials declared that the protest should be moved to McIntire Park, a little more than a mile from the city's downtown core, because of concerns about crowd size and the ability of the police to ensure public safety.

"The American Civil Liberties Union and the Rutherford Institute, a Charlottesville civil liberties organization, wrote to the city Tuesday insisting that Kessler be allowed to hold his rally at Emancipation Park, saying that the city's decision to move the rally 'raises serious First Amendment concerns.'"

Some evidence of objective thinking here, at least. Thank goodness for that much. Too bad it seems to get buried in the rabid, formulaic mantra.

"The two organizations filed suit against Charlottesville on Thursday in the Federal District Court for the Western District of Virginia, saying that the city violated Kessler's constitutional rights when it revoked the permit for his rally at Emancipation Park."

So finally they were given permission to stay at Emancipation Park. They had obtained the right to rally. Since when do we muzzle those we disagree with, in this country? Hey, there are plenty of countries that do just this. Not just the self-righteous, jaw-jutting rhetoric part, but also the destruction of historical artifacts! We should be so proud to be emulating those regimes.

Both sides came well equipped with clubs and mace, looking for trouble. Let's all blindly pledge our allegiance to the self-proclaimed new Morality Police, parroting their every phrase. Let us all be CERTAIN to only mouth the well-rehearsed formula phrases that are taught and permitted by these new purveyors of Truth and Morality. Everything else must be labeled "vile." Good times.

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Enabling a dangerous autocrat
dt_hayden   8/24/2017 3:32:06 PM
The protesters were a collection of ultra right wing factions (white supremacists, Nazis, KKK), the name of the rally was Unite the Right.  There were no 'good guys' in that crowd.  The city in fact did not issue a permit for this rally at Emancipation Park, a late breaking injunction by a judge allowed the event to take place at the park, with no permit issued.  Even though not legally required, the counter protesters did have a permit to try and temper over-reaction from the police.  So the rally had no permit, the counter protesters did.  Proof of more lies by Trump.

http://www.snopes.com/counter-demonstrators-permits-charlottesville/

Some comments indicate the poster gets their information feed right from Trump's lips, an accomplished and proven liar, or perhaps Fox News and other ultra-right sources.  Those that fall into the trap of trusting a lying divisive autocrat and the fringe media sources which support him over the moderate free press, are the ones enabling the leading of this nation into dangerous territory.

Thank god that business leaders and even some politicians in Trump's own party are finally turning against him.  We need more of the same to politically neuter this dangerous man.  It's a shame that Trump was not a little more sane, a little less mean, a little less narcissistic as he seems to have an ability to ignore reality and possesses a level of confidence which allows him to accomplish more than a person of his substance should be able.  If only those traits could be used in a positive manner.

Bert22306
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I got stuck on the very first sentence
Bert22306   8/23/2017 11:21:39 PM
Sadly, this has to be about politics. So Dylan, I had a hard time getting all indignant over this latest flap. What Trump did say sounded quite innocuous. And as is now de rigeur, the hopeless press has to twist it all out of proportion. Honestly, for me, the press has lost any shred of credibility, when it comes to reporting the facts. No semblance, or even pretense, of objectivity. Hopeless.

Like it or not, those right wing demonstrators in Charlottesville had obtained a legal permit to rally. Like it or not, in the US, people are allowed to express their opinions. It seems like the press has become the self-appointed morality police, tellling everyone what they must get outraged about, or else. Don't we have enough countries that practice this type of thought police? We should want to join their ranks?

One point is, both sides, those legally demonstrating, and those counter-demonstarting without permit, came armed to cause trouble. It's true that the lunatic in the car was a whack job from the extreme right, but it is false to conclude that everyone in the legal demonstration was a whack job, a Nazi, and a racist. And this is what the press is insisting on.

And yet. When Representative Steve Scalise was shot, in a hail of bullets from some whack job of the opposing side, during a Republican baseball practice in Alexandria, where was all this outrage? Where was all the screaming that "they are all murderers"? Come now. And this particular whack job was 66 years old, for heaven's sake. Not some adolescent hot-head.

In my view, when the press instructs people what they must think, when they must become outraged, and when not, we're in trouble. Of course, fanning such flames of discord as the press keeps doing, those in any way associated with Trump will get antsy. They may not want all the "oooohs and aaaaahs" aimed at them. But the truth is, Trump HAD denounced the racists and the bigots, and he correctly stated that both sides came looking for trouble. All true.

We had an epically bad choice of candidates this last time around. That's also true. The worst ever, in my lifetime for sure. Trump only won because he thumbed his nose at BOTH parties. Both political parties have a whole lot to answer for, as far as I'm concerned. And the press has a tough row to hoe too, to regain any sense that they know how to do their job.

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TanjB   8/21/2017 12:55:45 PM
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Used to be that the direct vote model like Switzerland was avoided as indirect democrac was supposed to give us some representatives who could devote full time to thoughtful consideration of sometimes complex issues.  The rest of us are just dabbling, right?  But that was theory, and the reality now seems to be an overload of both money and media which make a mockery of the original republican design.  So, maybe Switzerland is an interesting model.  We do have referendums in many states (including where I live) and it does not seem to have been that bad.  But the referendums are generally limited to very simple wording of one-issue decisions.  Hey, maybe that would work too!

The "history" in the monuments and school names is a history of propaganda statements by local politicians mostly long after the Civil War.  About half went up under Jim Crow and seggregation, another big burst were put up in the 60s.  Both of those were clearly "heck no you won't ever be free and equal" statements.  You know when mostly non-white kids and their parents every day see the school named in 1964 after Stonewall, what that history is about?  Time to repudiate that has long since past, and the claims of "history" are B.S.  There may be a few percent, likely the ones dating around the end of the civil war, which commemorate the dead and fallen decently and should remain.  But the propaganda ones are almost all of them and not "beautiful".

 

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Do not put words in peoples' mouths
databug   8/20/2017 2:20:54 PM
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Have to add one more comment.

The author, Dylan McGrath, writes, " He goes on to say that, basically, that the political climate (and by implication Trump) makes it impossible to genuinely advance American manufacturing".

I read the entry on the Intel blog and I think it is entirely inappropriate to put words into Mr. Krzanich's mouth. In no way does he imply that Trump is responsible, at least solely or entirely, for the current divided political climate. It was extremely unprofessional to imply this. One would think that an Editor in Chief would have better sense.

In particular, Mr. McGrath, where have you been for the last decade? The political climate has been toxic for a long time and evidence of efforts to keep it that way can be found all over the media spectrum.

Anyone with any sense of decency was mortified by the recent events. Extremist groups are best handled by marginalizing them, not celebrating them. They've gotten a lot of free publicity and articles like this one do nothing to improve the situation.

I read EE Times for relevant news of the electronics industry not for personal political rants. This article, by clearly misrepresenting the response of a major industry professional after a national tragedy, served no-one but the author himself. I expect better.

 

 

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resistion   8/20/2017 6:04:01 AM
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Direct popular vote only works for a small country like Switzerland. The US contains regions of diverse population density and local interests, that's where the middle 'equalizing' representation layer came in, with its electoral complications and abuse through gerrymandering (re-districting).

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realjjj   8/20/2017 3:30:32 AM
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I get why people voted for Trump, even if it is hard to accept that they would. People need hope, the status quo is toxic, that's where the Western world is today.

 

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David Ashton   8/20/2017 1:10:25 AM
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@Realjjj.... I can't disagree, we have similar idiots here.  They say you get the government you deserve (present company excepted) but really, all the choices are bad in different ways.  That's why I like the Switzerland model, at least then the people only have themselves to blame....

Trump got in because all the opposition was tainted in one way or another and people couldn't or wouldn't see that Trump was as tainted as the worst of 'em.  The apple cart did need upsetting, but not in quite that way....

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realjjj   8/20/2017 12:16:33 AM
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Between representative systems and Switzerland's semi-direct democracy, i think i prefer representative, although representative presumes competent and well intentioned politicians that take better decisions than the average Joe. That's rarely the case nowadays so maybe some nations would be better off with direct democracy.

Trump is not about just this moment in time, he hasn't done anything new and unexpected. It's not the first time he fails to distance himself from white supremacists. He's a semi-functional hateful clueless prick that lives 50 years in the past. He has no decency, no respect for the law  and has no values, aside from his own interest. He has never provided a half reasonable solution to any problem and he never will. His narcissism might kill us all though.

He likes oil and coal, he thinks that tax cuts for corporations and rich people will make things better. He wants to take healthcare away from 20+ more million. He has displayed hate and aversion towards anything that's not a white christian straight male time and time again. He is delusional and rejects facts with ferocity. Everything he knows he learns from Fox News and he's stupid enough to actually believe Fox News. Look at any specific issue and you'll find something unreasonable he said about it, any issue at all.

Charlottesville, he should have strongly condemned racism. As for statues, should we erect an Ossama statue in NYC. as a reminder? Nobody goes by those statues and spits on them, those statues glorify enemies, traitors and encourage racism. It's been so long that it shouldn't matter but it does because somehow people still hate other people that might be slightly different.

Australia and coal, i'm amused when folks invest in fossil fuel infrastructure now. Most of those projects will result in huge losses and the people that are blind enough to invest, kinda deserve it. At least solar is doing well in Australia. I am not worried at all about fossil fuel and global warming, air pollution. Renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper, transportation is going electric and car as a service with autonomous electric vehicles will accelerate the transition a great deal so it's all good. The shift will be far more aggressive than what most expect.

One more note. It's wrong to look at Charlottesville as right vs left, it's white supremacists vs everybody else, right and left. Right doesn't mean racist. In America it is harder and harder to be a republican as they've gone "goofy" but the ideology is not evil and hateful. it might not quite fit the times anymore and the future but it's not supposed to mean crazy.

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