Bushnell recalled a first impression of Steve Jobs when Jobs was working on the Atari production line.
"Steve came into my office and said, 'No one in this company knows how to solider,' and he brought in an example," Bushnell said, " 'This stuff won't work for more than a few weeks without a failure -- you need to up your game,' " Jobs told him.
Woz recalled how Jobs "would bring me in at night and show me the [Atari] factory floor and play with the machines.'"
Jobs "had an intensity -- sometimes it was like an obnoxious teenager always talking, talking -- he was trying to find his way into companies," said Woz.
Although Jobs is often associated with the birth of the personal computer, he actually led a series of failed computer efforts from the Apple III and Lisa to Next, Woz recalled.
"I think that got to him," he said. His "intensity took away from the patience you need for things like waiting until memory prices got down to what you need," he said.
Later in his career things shifted; Jobs and Apple became known for "building things in secret until they were ready," Woz said. "Thank God he came back because I think the iPhone is the greatest device ever -- we never had the Internet in your pocket," he said.