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Vinyl vs. CD myths refuse to die

By Rich Pell  01.13.2010 5

Some time back I blogged about the audio myths surrounding the vinyl and CD formats and how the former simply couldn't compete technically with the latter. Since then, I periodically receive emails from non-technical vinyl fans/audiophiles who have run across my post on the Web, and the discussion usually goes something like this:

Vinylphile: I saw your article about vinyl. You are wrong – vinyl sounds better than CD. There is NO WAY that the digital process can preserve the original analog signal by chopping it up into numbers and reconstituting it.

Me: Hey, if you prefer the sound of vinyl that's great. However that subjective judgment shouldn't be confused with the objective facts, which show that CD/digital does a far more accurate job of reproducing the original musical signal.

Vinylphile: Who says? Vinyl provides a warmth and immediacy that digital can't, and provides more continuity in the music. Digital veils the music. Obviously the reason is because digital is a much more complicated process than analog and results in “digital” music, while analog preserves the analog waveforms that our ears are designed to listen to.

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Me: I'm afraid you're mistaken on several points. If you choose not to believe the technical facts regarding CD/digital – which have long since been demonstrated in theory and practice – and instead wish to believe that digital somehow audibly and mysteriously “veils” or fails to “preserve the continuity” of the original signal, or that the end resulting signal isn't just as analog as the original, then that's certainly your prerogative.

Vinylphile: You're talking about using electronic instruments to measure digital's “superiority,” but these measurements aren't relevant to what our ears perceive. I let my ears judge – not some sophisticated electronic devices.

Me: [Sigh.] Thanks for your comments.

Obviously the subjective aspects of audio in music recording and playback will continue to remain fertile ground for discussion/debate among audiophiles. However, over 25 years after the introduction of the Compact Disc, there's no reason for there still to be confusion or misunderstanding over the technical basics of digital audio – even among the non-technical public.

So who's to blame? Audiophiles themselves must take some of the responsibility. Good technical information is readily available – on this site as well as many others – but won't benefit those who restrict their “research” on the subject only to resources like subjectivist audiophile publications and like-minded forums.

At the same time, it is possible for the unwary to be led astray by stumbling across authoritative-appearing sites on the Web that contain incorrect or misleading content. For example, several of the emails I've received on this subject have mentioned one url in particular (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm).

The content on that page, which presumes to answer the question “Is the sound on vinyl records better than on CDs,” is, frankly, tripe. On a quick scan I counted six outright errors – mostly uninformed opinion being expressed as fact.

Unfortunately, this is notable because 1.) it appears on what is ostensibly an authoritative site, and 2.) this particular page comes up in the top search results on Google using the terms “vinyl” and “CD.” It appears this content has been up for some time and has never been corrected.

Perhaps at some point I'll create a post here specifically refuting the technical errors on that page, as well as listing some of the many good technical resources available on the subject. If anyone has suggested links – or other material/comments – for such a page, please let me know.

Comments, questions or suggestions? Email me at .

Related links:
Audio myth: Vinyl better than CD?
Vinyl LP comeback = wishful thinking
The death Of High Fidelity?

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THest   2013-05-07 21:02:37

Hi. Googling on the subject, I came to this site. Found it is an interesting site in the process ;-)

Forgive me, if my English seems a 'bit off'. I'm from Denmark.

On subject: 'Fact' are _not_ irrelevant. Fact is, that what the artists produced at the recording is most precisely recorded on vinyl as opposed to CD. No debating that. It's logic and physics.

I read an article, that most young people today have never even _heard_ analog music, not to mention on anything else than, say, an IPod.

Not a real stereo with 'real' load speakers.

It's the generation of low quality MP3, which is why, I suspect, the vinyl has had a renaissance of sorts. We old dudes (44 ;-) have grown tired of low quality.

An anecdote from a real experience:

In 1982 I bought a Luxman LV-103U hybrid tube amplifier and it's CD player match, also with tubes. IT WAS expensive and the CD player was top of the line(s) at that time.

I love classical music (not only ;-) and I thought this would out match my Thorens 318 turn table any day.

It did NOT.

The CD player had a very specific problem with violins.

The problem is a bit difficult to explain, but it was extremely clear and impossible to not notice:

Whenever violin-players 'started setting the bow to the string' (make any sense ?), the result coming from the speakers was the sound of an ice skater braking. Remember having seen/heard on TV, a figure-skater stopping from 'high-speed' and stopping 'side-ways'?

And I could repeat the effect with virtually any CD I had on the shelve.

As a result, and very dissapointed, I went back to the store (KT Radio in Odense, Denmark) with all my equipment. We tried at least four different high end CD players in different configureations, and they all showed the exact same problems with different CD's and recordings.

Props though to KT Radio: They actually gave me a new OM 30 Ortofon needle for my Thorens, for my trouble ;-)

Customer satisfaction pure!! :-)

THest   2013-05-07 21:04:28

In 1982 I bought a Luxman LV-103U hybrid tube amplifier....

well, it was in 1992 ;-), sorry!

robotczar   2014-02-27 11:27:56

These responses show that the myths are entrenched and continue. The Redbook CD format was chosen because it is sufficient for playback encompassing the limits of human hearing. Higher bit and/or sampling rates formats are either marketing tools (that have failed) or provide some headroom for mixdowns that stay near the max specs of the CD format. Nobody has been able to show they can hear differences between the formats under scientifically controlled conditions (which is not true for compressed formats like MP3). The fact that some people claim to hear improvements on discs with both Redbook CD and higher rate formats can be due to the record company tweaking one to sound "better".  On the topic of sounding better, LPs add noise (warmth and spatial effects) to a recording that are not present in the original recording due to limitations of the medium, which is preferred by some listeners. A CD is capable of providing such warm sound (which can be tested by recording an LP to CD and comparing).  So, listeners can choose either medium based on what they like, but only one has higher fidelity. It is a valid point that the recording and mastering process affects the quality of the sound and can sound different (and bad) on either playback medium.  But, LPs measures worse than CD in every way and also sort of self-erases itself (and acting like a microphone, picks up the played back sound resulting in increased distortion (which is already higher than CD). LPs have a very kludged way of implementing 2-ch stereo that is subject to lots of spacial distortion (that I think some people like). Bottom line is people have preferences, but it is a different matter to claim your preference is superior, especially in terms of fidelity.

jjmccormick   2014-11-29 02:49:08

To make matters worse, howstuffworks.com removed the comment section for all their articles. I understand why. Little of the stuff on their web site is not garbage. If you click on the author's name for any particular item, you will see a list of contributors. It is a list of journalism, english, communications, psychology grads and "freelance writers." These are very interesting credentials for people who presume to instruct us on how things work.  

It also surprises me that since nearly all recordings since the 80s have been digital and all these "warm" vinyl recordings are actually cut from those digital recordings, that someone hasn't figured out they could put a "vinyl" setting in the equalization of music devices that would introduce various types of distortion, channel interference and even the slight time shifting that results when a vinyl disk is played on single point pivot tonearm system.

I started buying vinyl when I was a kid in the 70s because the only other choice was 8-track. It was good enough for rock because the loudness wars were already well under way (to which Audacity waveforms from my mid-70s lps will attest), but when I bought my first classical record, the romance was over. Thankfully, I only had a couple of years to wait for my first CD. This vinyl thing people have is... well, another poster said it, and it bears repeating: "There's a sucker born every minute."

anonyme-x22   2016-05-18 08:21:14

Hi,

Forget all about this guy says, it obiously haven't any good ears or technical knowledge.

Vinyl does sound different of cd of course, not better, different.

Vinyl is warmer due to a lot of default, which are pleasure to our ears. (Except clicks )

The only thing where the cd is superior is in the dynamic range which is almost about 60db from all studio records because of the common noisefloor of a normal room (about 30db). So 60+30=90db which is the very early first stage of ear damage.

If you want true uncut signal only the analog support can do it because of sounds overtones whose can be as high as 96khz (today numeric adc is so limited that 192khz is the maximun so higher bandwidth measurment need specific tools)

Rgds,

 

 

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